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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:54 pm 
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Well this is confusing. Recall from an earlier thread that Cambridge City Council rubber-stamped compulsory CCTV a few months ago.

These seems to be the same mob, but they're protesting outside South Cambridgeshire Council.

This isn't explained, but I'd guess S Cambs introducing it as well, and there's lot of cross-border stuff going on.

There's also a reference to Cambridgeshire Council, which you'd guess was the county council, and thus no trade licensing remit. But I'd guess it just means S Cambs Council :-s

Anyway, I don't suppose the details of all that is really all that relevant to the average reader on here.

Otherwise, suffice to say that I can't recall any similar demonstrations from elsewhere over CCTV alone? Can understand what they're saying, obviously, but their reaction seems excessive, and an odd hill to possibly die on :?


Cambridge taxi drivers rally against mandatory CCTV in their vehicles

https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/c ... t-26470682

Taxi drivers in Cambridge will not be taking any jobs from companies or committing to any school runs for the entire day on Wednesday (March 15).

Taxi drivers in Cambridgeshire are fighting plans for mandatory CCTV in their vehicles. From April 2023, all taxi drivers applying to Cambridge City Council for a licence will be required to have CCTV installed in their vehicles.

Some cabbies in the city have already said they will consider taking legal action against plans for CCTV in their cars. On Wednesday, drivers in Cambridge are striking against the plans. Members of the Cambridge Taxi Driver Association will be protesting outside South Cambridgeshire District Council from 8am.

The council is responsible for licensing all Hackney carriage, private hire and dual drivers, as well as taxi proprietors and operators in Cambridge. Nasir Uddin, Secretary of the Cambridge Taxi Driver Association said that it was time for drivers to "show our unity and stand for our rights."

The council decision was taken in order to help improve safety of both drivers and passengers in taxis and private hire vehicles. The authority had initially planned to require all taxis to have CCTV by April 2022, but this was not met due to delays identifying an approved supplier for the cameras and the Covid-19 pandemic.

Taxi drivers in Cambridge will not be taking any jobs from companies or committing to any school runs for the entire day. Tariq Ahmed, who also represents the Cambridge Taxi Drivers Association, said they had been promised drivers would getting discounted CCTV, including installation, he said: "Some of these companies are quoting £1,000-1,200. It's so expensive it squeezes our profit margin even more than it already is".

If proposals for the CCTV are not dropped by Thursday, March 16, taxi drivers have decided that they'll be holding a strike on these two days on Monday, March 20, and Tuesday, March 21, from 8am at South Cambridgeshire District Council, the Hackney Rank and Station Rank.

In a petition setup on Change.org states: "We are writing against current proposals to install CCTV in Cambridge taxis. We do so on grounds of (a) privacy, (b) respectful working environment and (c) cost. Taxi drivers have said they have the right to privacy in their vehicles and this is violated if there is constant CCTV surveillance.

"Taxi drivers serve the community, sometimes under challenging circumstances, but the job brings with it independence and personal space. There are no known issues with regard to passenger safety at this time.

"Drivers undergo background DBS checks with an update service. There is already sufficient CCTV in the wider environment. Any changes to current practice should be made after wide consultation with drivers as stakeholders and with their consent."


Hundreds rally as Cambridge taxi drivers protest new CCTV rules

https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/c ... l-26478781

Taxi drivers have raised concerns about the compulsory cameras infringing on their privacy as well as the costs of installing them

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Hundreds of cabbies took part in a rally and march in Cambridgeshire in protest over installing mandatory CCTV in their taxis. Drivers gathered outside South Cambridgeshire District Council's headquarters in Cambourne on Wednesday, March 15, to protest the measures.

Members of the Cambridge Taxi Driver Association held placards and chanted slogans such as "NoMoreCCTV" loudly before police liaison officers arrived to ask protestors to keep their noise levels down. The move to make the cameras compulsory has sparked concerns about infringement of privacy and lack of consultation on mandatory cameras in their vehicles.

Cabbie Nasir Uddin said: "We are protesting here today outside SDC due to the CCTV because of our privacy, and they should protect our privacy in a working environment. There's a cost element too - the amount of money to install CCTV.

"There were five complaints all year, that's compared to five million jobs over a year. We believe there's inadequate consultation, we think they should postpone the implementation of this role. We're urging the Cambridgeshire community to support our action."

Further protests are planned on Monday and Tuesday next week (21 and 22). One of these strikes will be held outside the Guildhall in Cambridge city centre.

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Nasir added: "We had several people turn up in front of Cambridgeshire Council, people are making a noise and demanding their rights. I'm happy and I hope Cambridgeshire Licencing Authority can listen to their voice.

"We're quite disappointed that we haven't heard from the Licencing Authority, they haven't got back to use yet, which is distressing us. We hope the authority can come back to us with an amicable solution."

Slawomir Gzella, who is licenced with Panther Taxis said: "I'm here today because unfortunately the council refused to listen to our concerns. We've asked multiple times over emails/ Unfortunately nobody is talking to us today, the door remains locked, nobody is willing to listen to us.

"Our concerns are that we have been given so little time. It was only six weeks ago that we found out specifications of this policy, which gives us little time to plan everything.

"There is no doubt they can meet the demand of this CCTV. Physically we feel it's impossible to comply with this policy."

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Maninder Singh, who also works for Panther Taxis, said: "It's very disappointing because we've all sent emails about the new CCTV law which is a failure of the consultation. Since 2019, there have been lots of licensing staff from the council who've left, and Covid meant many drivers came and went. Hundreds subsequently joined the taxi service so they've not been part of this consultation. They should've updated their policy.

"We did our own research, we do five million jobs in Cambridge per annum, and there were five incidents in total from this, and they were only minor.

"I don't know how they've come to this decision, many taxi drivers use the car as their personal vehicle and they'd have to wait to switch it off after 30 minutes - it's totally disrespecting our privacy. It should be up to the driver whether they want this kind of system installed in their car."

Sajjad Khan, another cabbie at the protest said: "This policy will affect all taxi drivers in Cambridge. Taxi drivers wanted to talk to the council because they've given them a deadline of April 1, so there's a very short deadline, and they completely refused it. We had no choice but to protest outside their door."

Asked why police had been in attendance, a Cambridgeshire Police spokesperson said: ‘We were called at 10.50am to reports of a protest in Cambourne Business Park, a Protest Liaison Officer attended and no issues were raised."

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:01 pm 
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Panther driver wrote:
"There is no doubt they can meet the demand of this CCTV. Physically we feel it's impossible to comply with this policy."

Can understand the second sentence, but the first doesn't really make sense :?

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Nasir added: "We had several people turn up in front of Cambridgeshire Council, people are making a noise and demanding their rights. I'm happy and I hope Cambridgeshire Licencing Authority can listen to their voice.

There's maybe some amalgamation stuff going on, or councils co-operating on certain functions, but can't be bothered looking that up either :?

But it would explain what's going on and the references to the various councils and authorities :idea:


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:22 pm 
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You got to have a degree of sympathy in respect of costs.

I've got f*** all sympathy in respect of the privacy issue.

How many complaints do we see from areas with compulsory CCTV? The answer is none.

It's all scaremongering and lies.

CCTV in taxis/PH saves drivers' lives and their livelihoods.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:29 pm 
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A lot of repetition here, but plenty other detail, including quite a bit on the privacy issue, and there's obviously a lot of confusion over that. Article a bit of a slog, but worth reading for some interesting stats, detail and debating points.

And if anyone wants to see lots more photos of the drivers protesting, plus a video, then visit the website :-|

But at least this clears up the Cambridge City Council/South Cambridgeshire Council thing - they're both implementing CCTV, and isn't there a lot of cross-border stuff going on here?

Great effort from the press here, though =D>


In pictures and video: South Cambridgeshire and Cambridge taxi drivers protest against mandatory CCTV in their vehicles

https://www.cambridgeindependent.co.uk/ ... r-9304094/

Taxi drivers have staged a protest about new council rules requiring the installation of CCTV cameras in their cars - and they are planning another demonstration on Monday (March 20).

Waving banners and chanting, the drivers made their feelings known outside the Cambourne headquarters of South Cambridgeshire District Council on Wednesday (March 15).

Under a policy agreed by councillors last October, any driver renewing their licence or applying for a new one in the district must have CCTV fitted in their vehicle from April 1, 2023.

The council says the move will improve safety for passengers and drivers alike.

But the drivers are angry that they must meet the significant cost of the installation - and have voiced concerns over privacy.

Cambridge City Council is also implementing the same policy, but a licensing committee meeting on Monday is expected to delay the requirement until September. Taxi drivers plan to stage a protest outside the Guildhall from 10am, meaning the number available for hire during the day will be limited.

After Wednesday’s demonstration, Tariq Ahmed, co-founder and chair of the Cambridge Taxi Drivers’ Association, told the Cambridge Independent: “We have 400-plus drivers in the association and they wanted to protest. It was very good and lots of people turned up.

“The problem was none of the council’s representatives came out to talk to us.

“They reported us to the police, saying we had been ‘aggressive’. The police turned up but I said it is our right to protest. We weren’t doing anything illegal. We were chanting.”

A district council spokesperson said: “Police were notified about the protest by the council following concern about entrances to the building being blocked at times, and the way vehicles had been left parked outside the office and around the bus stop.”

A police spokesperson confirmed: “We were called at 10.50am on Wednesday to reports of a protest in Cambourne Business Park. A protest liaison officer attended and no issues were raised.”

Mr Ahmed said drivers were not opposed to the concept of CCTV in their vehicles, but rather the way the policy was being implemented.

“You will see that taxi drivers have already put cameras in their cars, because if anything happened, they had no way to prove it,” he explained.

“We don’t mind the cameras, for our own safety as well, but there has to be a better way of doing it.

Drivers have been told they must use a select group of approved suppliers. South Cambridgeshire District Council said it understood the cost of installation to be about £500, but Mr Ahmed said drivers had been given different figures in practice.

“There are four or five suppliers. Some are saying they don’t have stock. Some have it, but they are all different. Some quoted about £1,000. Another person was quoted about £1,300,” he said, explaining that the cost is higher for larger vehicles requiring more than one camera, or cameras with night vision.

He urged the district council to bring the implementation in line with the city’s timeline.

“Delay it and work with us to find a better supplier, with a cheaper price, or try to get a grant from the government,” he told the district council.

Both sides in the dispute have also been at odds over the issue of privacy when vehicles are in domestic use, with some drivers believing that the cameras could only be switched off for up to half an hour using a ‘kill switch’.

The district council confirmed to the Cambridge Independent that this understanding was wrong.

A spokesperson explained: “The cameras can be switched off when the vehicle is being used privately. They only need to be switched on and recording when the vehicle is in use as a taxi.

“It is operated by the driver. There is no time limit or ‘30-minute kill switch’. The system is required to be active at all times that the vehicle is being used as a licensed vehicle. This will allow the system to be deactivated during times when the vehicle is being used for domestic use.”

Mr Ahmed, who runs the Private Hire 2 Go taxi company, complained that the council had shut down communication.

“They refuse to talk to us. I emailed them to ask them to sit down with us, and delay it a bit and try to get more companies in. Maybe there are cheaper suppliers out there, or a grant that they could get to help drivers?

“But they have made their mind up and they are not going to discuss this policy anymore. They are ignoring us,” he claimed.

“It was so disgusting that none of them came out and talked to us on Wednesday. They shut the doors on us.”

The council said it was open to communication and a council officer had made contact to better understand any issues drivers had and solve any misunderstandings.

Mr Ahmed said there were other financial implications.

“They also put on the policy that if the camera is not working, the driver cannot carry on work until it is fixed - and it could take a day or two. Drivers work any time of day or night. If a camera breaks at 1am, they can’t carry on working.

“In this trade, if you don’t earn, there is no one to compensate you. You won’t earn what you lost before.

“And if the council wants to take the footage out for an incident, they might stop you working until they do.

“On top of that, you have to register with the Information Commissioner’s Office, which costs £40 or £60, but the council will hold the keys to the data. All the costs are being passed to the driver.”

Mr Ahmed said drivers in South Cambridgeshire will join those in Cambridge for Monday’s protest, but he stressed that Cambridge Taxi Drivers’ Association had urged all drivers to honour school run bookings, which are organised by the county council, before turning up.

“We sympathise with people,” he said. “We have told our drivers not to interrupt the school run.”

A petition has also been created on Change.org by Maninder Singh, demanding the right to privacy and the right to dignity at work, and protesting about the cost.

It adds: “Many members of the public to whom we have spoken are also unhappy about the prospect of being recorded in taxis. We respectfully ask that these proposals be dropped.”

South Cambridgeshire District Council said the issue had been under discussion since October 2017, when its licensing committee first agreed to consult on a draft policy.

Initially agreed in November 2019, with a deadline for installation of a year later, the committee agreed an extension in February 2020, meaning drivers were told CCTV would be required in their vehicles no later than March 2021.

But amid the pandemic, the policy got delayed again.

Finally, in October 2022, the licensing committee agreed an implementation date of April 1, 2023.

While doing so, councillors considered data that showed 28 reports to the district council of offences involving taxis between 2017 and 2022, including nine alleged sexual advances or assaults, eight incidents of aggressive or threatening behaviour, nine claims of inappropriate conduct and two reports of child sexual exploitation.

Police data suggests taxi drivers are more likely to be the victim of an incident than the suspect.

In South Cambridgeshire, in the period January 2021 to February 2022, there were six reported incidents where the suspects stated ‘taxi driver’ as their occupation, although none of these was in the vehicle.

There were 24 such reports in Cambridge, including five in a vehicle, with four of those relating to the same incident. Countywide, there were 83 reports and 19 incidents, including two assaults causing injury, six incidents of kidnapping and two sexual assaults.

However, there were 140 incidents in the same timeframe where taxi driver was stated as the occupation of a victim of crime - and 55 of these involved incidents in a vehicle, including six assaults causing injury, two threats to kill, six reports of criminal damage to a vehicle and 16 incidents of people making off without payment.

South Cambridgeshire District Council’s lead cabinet member for licensing, Cllr Henry Batchelor, said: “Our aim is to keep both passengers and drivers safe. We consulted extensively while developing this policy and there was strong support for CCTV from residents. The installation of CCTV in taxis has been on the agenda for several years now and was only delayed because we recognised the difficulties the trade faced throughout the Covid-19 pandemic.

“Many taxi drivers also support the policy because they recognise the presence of CCTV will reduce the number of incidents of abusive and violent behaviour towards them.

“The data recorded will be encrypted and stored securely in the vehicle; it will not be accessible by the driver or the taxi operator.

“Most of the images recorded will never even be seen because they will be erased after 28 days. Only if there is an incident or complaint will they be analysed by the police or other authorised officers when gathering evidence.

“For anyone who has family members or friends who drive taxis or travel in them, it should be reassuring to have the additional safety net that CCTV provides.”

While taxi drivers have previously suggested they might take legal action over the policy, the council has said it had made a number of moves to support the trade since late 2021, including:

    • Removing the need for six-monthly vehicle inspection checks;
    • Not requiring a safeguarding course on (annual or tri-annual) renewal of licence, and only requiring a refresher course if considered appropriate on a case-by-case basis, and allowing approved external providers as opposed to in-house;
    • Removing the age limits for vehicles; and
    • Postponing the need for all vehicles to be electric zero or ULEV from December 2021 to December 1, 2028.

A Cambridge City Council spokesperson said: “Installing CCTV in taxis and private hire vehicles licensed in Cambridge will be a boost to safety for both customers and drivers.

“As taxi licensing authority, the council has a number of objectives, including the safety and protection of the public, vehicle safety, prevention of crime and protection of drivers – all of which will help to be met by the installation of CCTV in the vehicles it licenses.

“Introducing CCTV for all licensed vehicles will also ensure there is supporting evidence for any criminal or enforcement investigations into customers’ or drivers’ actions or behaviour while the vehicles are operational.

“Under the specifications for use, all recorded images will be securely captured, stored and encrypted, and the CCTV system will not be accessible while the vehicle is in use commercially. Vehicle proprietors will be able to source and install their own systems as long as they meet or exceed the council’s requirements.

“Fortunately, incidents in Cambridge’s taxis and private hire vehicles are rare but installation of CCTV across the fleet will provide additional reassurance to customers and drivers alike, act as a deterrent, and will be able to provide clear evidence for any investigations that may have to take place.

“Following concerns from the taxi trade about the timescales for implementation, a decision will be made at Monday’s licensing committee on recommendations to postpone the need to install CCTV until September.”


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A district council spokesperson said: “Police were notified about the protest by the council following concern about entrances to the building being blocked at times, and the way vehicles had been left parked outside the office and around the bus stop.”

A police spokesperson confirmed: “We were called at 10.50am on Wednesday to reports of a protest in Cambourne Business Park. A protest liaison officer attended and no issues were raised.”

Probably as well to watch the very brief video via link below.

And looking at a couple of the photos, which maybe give an idea of what it's like normally, but then there's cars parked here, there and everywhere, plus a large and noisy group protesting, I'm not surprised the council called the police :lol:

Bet they went quiet when the cops arrived, though. "Nothing to see here..." 8-[

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ROiL3ES1mE

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:35 pm 
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While taxi drivers have previously suggested they might take legal action over the policy, the council has said it had made a number of moves to support the trade since late 2021, including:

    • Removing the need for six-monthly vehicle inspection checks;
    • Not requiring a safeguarding course on (annual or tri-annual) renewal of licence, and only requiring a refresher course if considered appropriate on a case-by-case basis, and allowing approved external providers as opposed to in-house;
    • Removing the age limits for vehicles; and
    • Postponing the need for all vehicles to be electric zero or ULEV from December 2021 to December 1, 2028.

That reads like an unattainable wishlist for thousands of drivers elsewhere :-o

If I was one of the drivers here, I'd keep my head down and take the CCTV hit on the chin. Not a hill to die on [-(


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Police data suggests taxi drivers are more likely to be the victim of an incident than the suspect.

Correct, and the more people out there that understand that the better.

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Looks like another delay, but they're still not happy :-o

They're all driving Teslas, by the sounds of it, which means they can't fit CCTV. Allegedly 8-[


Cambridge taxi drivers say mandatory CCTV plan will 'send more cabbies to foodbanks'

https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/c ... y-26516308

Cambridge City Council has pushed back the date taxis will be required to have CCTV cameras fitted, but some taxi drivers called for the policy to be dropped.

Making Cambridge taxi drivers pay for mandatory CCTV in their vehicles will send more drivers to use food banks, local cabbies have said. Concerns were raised about the cost taxi drivers will face to pay for the new cameras required by Cambridge City Council. The city council has been planning to require CCTV in its licensed taxis since 2017, but the implementation has previously been delayed.

In October 2022, councillors agreed to take a phased approach to implementing CCTV in taxis, with CCTV required in any newly licensed vehicle, or at the renewal of a licence from April 1, 2023. However, this has been delayed again until September 1, due to delays by authority in releasing the CCTV specification to taxi licence holders.

At a meeting of the licensing committee earlier today (Monday, March 20), drivers raised concerns over the cost of the new cameras, the privacy of passengers, and whether there was a need for the cameras were all raised as concerns. One driver told councillors there were taxi drivers in the city who were already using foodbanks to feed their families and said they would not be able to afford the cost of the new cameras.

Drivers also highlighted the increased cost faced by those who drove wheelchair accessible taxis due to the need for more cameras, which the drivers said could cost around £1,500. Ahmed Karaahmed, chairman of Cambridge City Licensed Taxis, said: “Councils create policies if there is a real need for them. Is there a real need for mandatory cameras in Cambridge?

“In 2021 and 2022 Cambridge was chosen to be the safest place in the UK, this is with your great job and our great job. Cambridge City Council and the police both agree that incidents inside licensed vehicles in Cambridge are minimal. If this is the case why this mandatory CCTV policy has been implemented, what is the reason behind this? Why are you asking the trade to pay nearly £1million to implement mandatory CCTV cameras? By doing this you will send some of our drivers to the foodbanks.”

Mr Karaahmed said he had contacted some of the camera suppliers, who had told him that the cameras could not be installed in some electric vehicles. He added that he had also been told having the CCTV cameras fitted would invalidate the warranting of a new car. He said: “The only reasonable solution out of this seems to be optional CCTV cameras for taxi drivers, let the drivers decide whether they need CCTV in their vehicles. Or create a database and mandate CCTV to those drivers who receive [a certain amount] of complaints from the public which occurred inside the vehicle.”

Mr Karaahmed added that if the city council went ahead with the plans, then the drivers would take legal action. He said they did not want to do this, but would if “they have no other choice”. Councillor Baiju Thittala Varkey said he had concerns about the policy, saying taxi drivers were still recovering from the impact of the covid pandemic. He said: “Should we not help them at this point, instead of making their life extremely difficult. This is not a highly earned job, they are just simply making their living.”

'CCTV is for the protection of drivers and passengers'

Councillor Gerri Bird said she understood the taxi drivers' concerns, but highlighted the plans had been in the works since 2017 and had been delayed a few times. She said: “We have given you grace, we have explained the whole system to you over every committee I think since 2017 that it has come up. We have tried to explain everything to the drivers so they understand everything and we have tried everything we possibly can, that is why we are giving them a grace again until September 1.”

Cllr Bird explained that she had sat on sub committee meetings where people had faced issues with a taxi driver, and taxi drivers had faced problems from passengers. She said CCTV would have helped the councillors when making a decision. Councillor Jennifer Page-Croft said the CCTV was for the “protection of passengers and for drivers”, highlighting that other forms of public transport also had CCTV.

Yvonne O’Donnell, the environmental health manager at the city council, said the policy had been reviewed in January 2022 and was “fit for purpose as of today”. She said the city council had followed due process and the statutory guidance, and said the legal team had confirmed all legal processes had been followed.

Ms O’Donnell said they had checked whether the CCTV was compatible with electric vehicles and had been assured it was. However, she recognised the issue raised at the meeting by drivers and said it was specifically about Tesla vehicles. She said officers would go back and ask specifically about if CCTV in Tesla vehicles would be possible.


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Mr Karaahmed said he had contacted some of the camera suppliers, who had told him that the cameras could not be installed in some electric vehicles. He added that he had also been told having the CCTV cameras fitted would invalidate the warranting of a new car.

Looks like there's a genuine issue with the Teslas. Doubt the point about the warranty is correct, though, as long as the CCTV is properly fitted. (Presumably Sussex will know...)


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Fitting non dealer equipment such as taxi meters, radios etc which involves a third party altering the wiring or inserting additional wiring in can materially affect a warranty as the manufacturer is no longer willing to guarantee that the wiring is safe. I think the installer needs to be manufacturer approved or they require their dealer network to do the installation.

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Mr Karaahmed said he had contacted some of the camera suppliers, who had told him that the cameras could not be installed in some electric vehicles. He added that he had also been told having the CCTV cameras fitted would invalidate the warranting of a new car.

Looks like there's a genuine issue with the Teslas. Doubt the point about the warranty is correct, though, as long as the CCTV is properly fitted. (Presumably Sussex will know...)

If the car cannot have CCTV due to so-called warranty issues, then the council can just remove them from the list of suitable vehicles.

Will the removal of £50-100,000 saloon Teslas cause a problem in Cambridgeshire? I very much doubt it.

However, I see daily Teslas licensed in areas that mandate CCTV.

So in short it's a load of old fanny.

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There may be a specific problem with the Teslas (or, at least, the council seems to be taking it seriously, but that's not to say their inquiries will confirms the trade's complaints).

But otherwise the warranty thing just looks like one of these exaggerated and misleading complaints trying to undermine the policy.

I mean, as Edders says, and as common sense and most of us will know, if an aftermarket electrical installation causes an issue, then of course the manufacturer isn't going to honour the warranty, at least as regards the specific electrical issue. But the trade are making it sound like the whole warranty will be invalidated, which is nonsense. An electrical issue caused by a meter, datahead or CCTV isn't going to invalidate the warranty vis-a-vis the brakes, timing belt or paintwork, say.

I mean, which plated cars don't have some sort of aftermarket electrical equipment fitted? If that did invalidate the warranty, then we'd have heard about it by now.

And, as Sussex will know in B&H in particular, there must be plenty of brand new motors with CCTV fitted, and if that caused warranty issues then it would have come to light long before now :?


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Permission refused on papers for judicial review challenge to taxi CCTV licensing policy

The High Court has refused permission for a judicial review challenge that contended South Cambridgeshire District Council's policy requiring taxis to be fitted with CCTV was irrational.

Sir Ross Cranston, sitting as a High Court judge, found that none of the claimant's contentions exceeded the "high threshold for irrationality in public law" and found that a challenge the claimant made of the delay of the policy's implementation was brought out of time.

The district council's Licensing Committee first approved a draft policy for consultation in 2017 that required all licensed hackney carriage and private hire vehicles to be fitted with CCTV.

The policy underwent consultation and was considered multiple times between 2017 and 2022 before the Licensing Committee approved plans in October 2022 to implement the policy by April 2023.

At the October 2022 Committee meeting, an officer's report said there was "adequate justification to mandate the installation of CCTV in licensed vehicles" based on data reported to the council and crime reports relating to taxi incidents.

The Committee's chair later met with taxi drivers in March 2023, who argued the policy was irrational and should be delayed until September 2023. Drivers staged a protest outside the council's offices that same month.

But the council pressed ahead, prompting the drivers to launch judicial review proceedings against the policy and the council's refusal to reverse or review implementation until September 2023.

Cranston J considered documents lodged by the claimant and the acknowledgment of service filed by the council before writing his order for refusal.

In his order, the judge wrote: "There is a fatal flaw to the application in that the policy was adopted on 21 October 2022 so that the application to this court on 30 March 2023 is well out of time."

He noted that the claimant could not avoid this flaw by contending that it was challenging the council's refusal in March 2023 to reverse and/or review its previous decisions.

He said: "The fact is that the policy was adopted some 5 months previously, when under the rules judicial review claims must be filed promptly, and within 3 months at the latest."

The claimant's second ground contended that the policy was irrational, disproportionate and unfair since the number of incidents in private hire vehicles was "minuscule", and given the cost and lack of choice members have in who will install it, and because other private hire drivers working in the district need not have it.

Under this ground, they also argued that it was an "unjustified invasion" of the privacy of the driver, the driver's family and passengers, and raised an argument relating to data protection issues.

In addition, the claimant stated that the date of implementation was irrational and unfair in light of the late provision of specifications, the limited number of providers, and because Cambridge City Council put the start date for its scheme back to 1 September 2023.

But Cranston J dismissed all of these points, noting that "none of these contentions surmount the high threshold for irrationality in public law".

He stated: "The council has a considerable discretion in exercising its statutory function of granting licences for private hire vehicles. As of July 2020, it had to have regard in its relevant policy to the Government's Statutory Taxi and Private Hire Vehicle Standards which states that CCTV can provide a safer environment for passengers and drivers.

"[The] Council considered the arguments behind the policy, the policy details, and relevant statistical material bearing on the policy […]. It was up to the council to weigh this and other considerations in the adoption of the policy.

"What Cambridge City Council is doing provides no basis for concluding that the council is acting perversely when it is adopting a different start date. The data protection issues are not particularised. Out of area vehicles have a right to drive in the council's district, but that is no basis for the claim of perversity."

The judge ordered the claimant to pay costs of £4,242 to the council.

Commenting on the decision, South Cambridgeshire District Council's Lead Cabinet Member for Licensing, Cllr Henry Batchelor, said the council consulted "extensively while developing this policy and there was strong support for CCTV from residents".

He added: "The installation of CCTV in taxis has been on the agenda for several years now and was only delayed because we recognised the difficulties the trade faced throughout the COVID-19 pandemic. Following research with suppliers, the cost of a CCTV system is around £500 for a taxi.

"Many taxi drivers also support the policy because they recognise the presence of CCTV will reduce the number of incidents of abusive and violent behaviour towards them. The data recorded will be encrypted and stored securely in the vehicle; it will not be accessible by the driver or the taxi operator.

"Most of the images recorded will never even be seen because they will be erased after 28 days. Only if there is an incident or complaint will they be analysed by the police or other authorised officers when gathering evidence. For anyone who has family members or friends who drive taxis or travel in them, it should be reassuring to have the additional safety net that CCTV provides."

Philip Kolvin KC of 11KBW was instructed by South Cambridgeshire District Council.

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The judge ordered the claimant to pay costs of £4,242 to the council.

Think they got off lightly.

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South Cambridgeshire District Council's Lead Cabinet Member for Licensing, Cllr Henry Batchelor, wrote:
"The data recorded will be encrypted and stored securely in the vehicle; it will not be accessible by the driver or the taxi operator.

"Most of the images recorded will never even be seen because they will be erased after 28 days. Only if there is an incident or complaint will they be analysed by the police or other authorised officers when gathering evidence."

Would-be rapists in Southampton (say) should take note - after the event, make sure you destroy the storage device, torch the car or drive it into the sea, or hide the car for 28 days :-o

Unless, of course, you're caught in the act, in which case police or 'authorised officers' will 'gather the evidence' :wink:

But a good example of where the sabre-rattling gets out of hand, and legal action is actually initiated. Fools and their money, and all that... :?

Anyway, the article above is all very legalistic and all that, but it's from the Local Government Lawyer publication, so at least the narrative should be a bit more legally watertight than some of the press rehashes and council 'comms' stuff [-(


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