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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 9:38 am 
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Pretty well impossible for anyone on here except Chris to evaluate whether the council's argument here compelling in terms of allowing the usual bus lane exemptions would cause significant problems, or whether it's just council BS.

But I'm sure we can all identify the general principle :roll:


Passengers 'paying extra' as buses get priority over taxis at Plymouth roadworks

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/p ... y-10401170

Cab passengers 'paying increased fare to be taken around the circuit' at Woolwell

Councillors say taxis should be allowed to use a bus route during a £45m Plymouth road upgrade - because it is costing cab passengers extra. Buses are allowed to turn right from the A386 Tavistock Road at the Woolwell roundabout during the work on the ambitious Woolwell to the George junction improvement scheme - but taxis aren’t.

It means taxis have to take a lengthy diversion up and around the Belliver Roundabout, near the Plessey Semiconductors factory. This is despite taxis being able to use bus lanes throughout the city.

Plymouth City Council said allowing cabs - and bikes and motorcycles - to use the Woolwell turning would interrupt the flow of traffic coming into the city and cause tailbacks onto Dartmoor. But opposition Tory councillors have called the arrangement “unbelievable” and said it means taxi passengers are having to pay more money.

Tory leader Andy Lugger, who represents the Southway ward, told PlymouthLive: “The rule of the highway in nearly all towns and cities is taxis and cyclists are permitted to use bus lanes. It is unbelievable that taxis are prohibited from turning right at Woolwell.

"This is something I have raised as a concern months ago, which has fallen on deaf ears. Quite simply, residents in my ward and neighbouring wards are paying an increased fare to be ‘taken around the circuit’ to get to Tesco Superstore.

“I serve on the taxi licensing committee and one driver told me that the additional fare could run to £5. If taxis were simply allowed, like their fellow public transport vehicles, to turn right, the injustice would not exist.”

Cllr Lee Finn, Tory councillor for the Budshead ward, said: “Taxi drivers should be able to follow buses, like in bus lanes. The taxis are instead on a loop and the extra cost to members of the public is quite big depending on the amount of traffic.”

He added: “It’s at odds with the rest of Plymouth - where buses can go, taxis can go. So common sense should say that the same rule applies everywhere.

“And it is putting taxis off going out there, and reducing the ability of people to access the Woolwell area, due to delays and the ability to pick people up and charge them a reasonable fee.”

Cllr Finn said that not allowing cabs to turn right at the roundabout makes “no sense” and added: "Especially when they are trying to encourage people to use public transport. “Taxis are a form of public transport, helping the disabled, elderly and those with mobility issues.”

A Plymouth City Council spokesperson said: “The right turn from Tavistock Road into Woolwell Road, at Woolwell Roundabout, is temporarily banned to all traffic except buses and emergency vehicles. This is to ensure that southbound traffic, which has been reduced to one lane, can flow more freely without having to give way to right-turning traffic at the roundabout.

“The only exemption is for the very small number of buses serving Woolwell, to help them keep to their published timetables. Implementing normal bus lane restrictions to allow taxis, motorcycles and cycles to use the turning would increase interruption to the southbound traffic flow, reducing the benefit of this measure and increasing the queue back towards Belliver Roundabout and across the moors.”

The Woolwell to The George scheme is well underway now having been in the pipeline for years. The council wants to solve one of Plymouth’s worst traffic bottlenecks and provide better links to and from the north of Plymouth as it grows.

About 4,400 new homes are planned in the north of the city – including 2,000 at the Woolwell Urban Extension. This and other developments, such as the new district shopping centre in Derriford, will see an increased amount of traffic along the route. The whole scheme will cost £45m, which includes £24.9m of Government funding.

In the spring, Woolwell residents complained of gridlock at the A386 roadworks and Tory MP Rebecca Smith said there has been a “public outcry” about traffic crawling at “a snail’s pace”.

Last month a new left turn from Tavistock Road into Woolwell Crescent opened, ahead of schedule, allowing inbound traffic to turn into Woolwell without going around the Woolwell Roundabout.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 9:38 am 
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Usual nonsense in the comments - there's about thirty in total, but didn't bother after reading one of the earlier ones :roll:

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Taxis are not public transport! The clue is in the name - private hire. They are the least green method of getting around a city and shouldn't be allowed to use bus lanes.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 9:41 pm 
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This "Diversion" would cost, in a Hackney, about £2.40 to £3.60 on the meter, due to distance and waiting time in the Traffic Jam.

Funny thing is, take the diversion and you leave the City, enter South Hams and then re-enter the City. Then you leave the City again after leaving the Roundabout accessible only to Busses. You could Quote and not use the meter anyway.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 7:00 am 
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Chris the Fish wrote:

Funny thing is, take the diversion and you leave the City, enter South Hams and then re-enter the City. Then you leave the City again after leaving the Roundabout accessible only to Busses. You could Quote and not use the meter anyway.

I had a discussion with our licensing team on a similar scenario a while ago. There was a festival at Belvoir Castle that is in our Borough however the way out after you had picked up took you into South Kesteven before you came back into our Borough for the drop off. Our Council said that because the journey started and finished within the Borough the meter had to be used regardless of the fact that you had to leave the Borough to actually do the journey.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2025 6:18 pm 
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This journey ends outside the City. On the way you go out, come back in, then go out again.

Your LA are wrong by the way. Driver could agree a fare to leave the District and agree a fare to go from outside to inside the District. The Driver could do this as a combination Trip and agree a total amalgamated Fare.

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