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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2025 8:48 am 
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Well this rambles on a bit. And lots of official statements and the like from various people not really saying very much :-o

And I'd guess that where there is a bit of detail it's not wholly accurate, or that the blather here would be better replaced by important omitted detail, but I'll leave the nitty gritty to Sussex.

I'd also guess, as per numerous previous articles on this, that he'll take a slightly different view to Mr Peters.

The photos are of the old station arrangement c. 2015, but presumably the photo of Mr Peters is recent.


Calls for return of taxi rank at front of Brighton Station

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/2515670 ... n-station/

A cabbie boss is calling for a taxi rank to be reinstated at the front of the city’s railway station amid "antisocial parking" blocking buses and pedestrians.

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A cabbie boss is calling for a taxi rank to be reinstated at the front of the city’s railway station amid "antisocial parking" blocking buses and pedestrians.

The decision to relocate it from the front of the building to the rear in November 2019 was welcomed by councillors and residents, who were impacted by “traffic fumes, congestion and noise”.

However, taxi drivers heralded the decision as “utter madness”.

Now, Andrew Peters, who represents the Brighton and Hove Cab Trade Association, is calling for the rank to return to its original spot.

Mr Peters, who has been driving taxis in Brighton and Hove for 42 years, said: “The current situation is regarded by the trade as a comedy of errors with bad planning by the council at the time that has resulted in the shambles that we have to contend with today."

This comes as calls have grown to sort out what senior councillor Trevor Muten described as the "antisocial parking of taxis" in front of the station, blocking buses and people on foot.

Mr Peters added that “out-of-town” private hire cars from places such as Chichester and Portsmouth park at the front of the station in the hopes of securing a job, leaving local trade competing with Uber cars.

Brighton and Hove City Council said that it is open to considering better arrangements at the station, however vehicles parking at the front of the building “cannot continue”.

Southern, which manages Brighton railway station, said it was open to meeting with the cab trade association and council about the issue.

The veteran cab driver explained how the issue had come about.

He said: “The situation at the station is a result of the long established rank at the front being closed and a new one placed at the back in 2019 which was a joint decision at the time made by GTR and the council.

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“This was despite objections being raised by the local taxi trade that predicted the problems that we now see.

“There were indeed issues being raised about taxis queuing up to get to the front rank when it was there.

“However, this was caused by the huge amount of unlimited permits that were constantly being issued by Govia Thameslink Railway (GTR) for a rank with around fifteen spaces.

“For a long time, taxis could drive into the station forecourt, drop-off and drive out which was so simple.

“But that was stopped when the station forecourt was paved over.”

Mr Peters reported that prior to the closure of the front rank, the taxi trade forum reviewed various other location options, including Terminus Road and Frederick Place.

He added that “only Brighton and Hove hackney taxis (white and aqua) that have permits are allowed full entry to the back of the station”, while others without permits, including private hire cars, will be fined.

“There is also the increased cost of the fare of dropping passengers off at the rear car park with the heavy traffic in New England Road and New England Street”, Mr Peters said.

“What we have seen is that there are some Brighton and Hove hackney taxis waiting on a section of the bus stop that has no markings which is considered a no-man's land.

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“While this is not supported by the majority of the local taxi trade, there is clearly a public demand for an official rank at the front of the station, especially for visitors to the city who automatically walk to the front and indeed customers who want to be dropped at the front.

“We believe there is a way to have a rank at the front, but to do that would involve the council engaging with the trade and making a solid commitment to bring the rank back to the front."

Councillor Trevor Muten, cabinet member for transport, parking and public realm, said: “We are always open to suggestions and ideas from the local community, and I am in regular contact with the Brighton and Hove Cab Association and GTR.

“We’re certainly keen to listen to and to work with taxi operators, GTR and Network Rail to make arrangements work better for everyone and take a more strategic approach to this issue.

“The current pattern of buses being blocked and pavement access restricted by antisocial parking by taxis cannot continue; not only is it unacceptable but it is causing problems to other road users and pedestrians, delaying buses and making it hard for people to move freely and safely to and from the station.

“There is limited space at the front of the station, and previous arrangements before the rank was moved to the north of the station were also negatively impacting buses, residents and visitors.

“We are looking at a more strategic approach that works better and we are listening to the taxi trade, bus operators and residents to improve the situation for all. In the short term, we would ask everyone to consider others and be more considerate as we work through options to improve.

“It is also worth noting that both the current site and the former site are on Network Rail land; any changes would need to be made in collaboration with GTL and Network Rail.”

A spokesman for Southern, which manages Brighton station, said: “The taxi rank at Brighton was moved to the rear of the station in 2019 following a lengthy consultation with the council, taxi drivers’ unions and GTR.

“Since then, the station environment at Brighton has proved safer, more welcoming and easier to navigate for both visitors to the city and regular commuters.

“Traffic at the front of the station was reduced almost overnight, with buses able to use the stops at the front of the station without any obstructions.

“We are, of course, open to meeting with the cab trade association and council to understand how we can work together to best support our passengers with their onward journeys.”


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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2025 12:58 pm 
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I get where Mr Peters is coming from, but he knows the main reason the rank was moved to the back of the station was 100% down to f***wit cab drivers completely blocking the main road for hours at a time.

The rank is an incredibly busy one, especially when two London trains arrive within minutes of each other. Possibly 100 + jobs each time.

When the rank was at the front, cabs not only ranked on the rank as seen in the second picture, they also ranked in the adjoining streets, completely blocking the traffic flow in that part of the city center. This pleased no one, especially local councillors and bus drivers.

Thus, the rank was moved to the back of the station, where they have plenty of room to do as they please, having paid up to £1000 a year to do so.

This has led to some hackney drivers, ones that haven't paid the £1000, illegally ranking up outside the front. Which is pi**ing off just about everyone.

IMO having a rank at the front now, even for maybe 5 or 6 cabs (very little room outside), isn't going to happen as the idiots will over rank and block the traffic as they did for many years.

In short, the taxi trade is its own worst enemy. [-(

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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2025 8:23 pm 
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This has led to some hackney drivers, ones that haven't paid the £1000, illegally ranking up outside the front. Which is pi**ing off just about everyone.


isn't brighton the uks most pro CCTV city ? Perhaps 24/7 filming of the front by the council to spot the rogues is in order

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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2025 5:22 am 
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At the moment councils can only take action from CCTV if any iffyness happens in a bus lane or red route.

There are plans to make that area a red route, but I still can’t see a rank being placed back at the front. Despite it being where most punters want it to be.

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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2025 10:32 am 
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This is a follow-up piece in the Argus - you know, one of those based on below-the-line comments and stuff posted on social media etc :roll:

So to that extent it's all pretty predictable stuff, so just sticking this here for the sake of completeness.


Should taxi rank return to front of Brighton train station?

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/2516397 ... n-station/

Argus readers have had their say on whether the taxi rank should return to the front of Brighton railway station.

The taxi rank was moved from the front of the station to the rear in November 2019.

This decision was welcomed by councillors and residents who were affected by "traffic fumes, congestion and noise".

However, taxi drivers were not happy, with one describing the relocation as "utter madness".

Recently, Andrew Peters, who represents the Brighton and Hove Cab Trade Association, called for the rank to return to its original spot.

On Facebook, Argus readers shared mixed opinions.

Martin Tyrrell commented: "Sadly they abused the rank when it was around the front, they constantly blocked the bus stops and the top of Queens Road."

Danny Brooks expressed surprise at the rear location, saying: "Wait, there's a rank out back?

"Seeing how many taxi drivers use the front forecourt, and don't move for buses that pull in to their stops on the forecourt, anyone would think the rank is out front."

Mark Robson added: "Taxis and Uber are a law to themselves in this town - abusive, inconsiderate, parking where they want, and impatient.

"Trying to get near the train station is a joke because of them."

Kristina Be noted issues with taxis blocking bus stop access, wondering: "Surely they're just being a bit lazy not going round to the official rank?

"It must be annoying for bus drivers and other traffic trying to negotiate that area."

Some readers questioned enforcement.

Michelle Lalla asked: "Where are Hackney Carriage officers? Why are they not patrolling the station?

"What are the taxi drivers paying their permit fees for if others are allowed to disobey the rules?"

Christine Gates added: "It’s the taxis that are doing the antisocial parking when they park on the bus stops and block all the traffic."

Lastly, Keith Smith offered: "I don't believe there's an outcry for a taxi rank outside the station. There is already one, so use it.

"Due to their crazy inflated prices, I haven't used a taxi for at least 5 years - bus or walk."


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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2025 10:33 am 
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Kristina Be noted issues with taxis blocking bus stop access, wondering: "Surely they're just being a bit lazy not going round to the official rank?

Funny how people perceive these things. I mean, I doubt the drivers round the front are really there just because they're 'lazy' :-s


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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2025 8:11 pm 
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The only people who want the rank at the front are taxi drivers and some of their punters, maybe most of them, but not all.

Everyone else is very happy the rank is now tucked around the back, so that's where it will stay, IMO.

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