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Author:  StuartW [ Thu Oct 16, 2025 4:11 pm ]
Post subject:  RBWM councillors endorse 'flagfall' of £7 on T1

Ah, well, one of those pieces where you think it's about one area, but it's actually about somewhere else...

...because it doesn't actually name the authority, and just refers to the 'royal borough', but it's in the Slough Observer. But of course I knew Slough wasn't a 'royal borough', and that it must obviously refer to the Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead 8-[

But it's interesting in that most of the councillors seem to not only endorse the, er, hike without question, but they also seem to be encouraging further rises :-o

And they're not really going up to a £7 T1 flagfall? :-o :-o


Royal Borough Hackney carriage taxi fares due to rise

https://www.sloughobserver.co.uk/news/2 ... -due-rise/

Councillors have voted in favour of a ‘long overdue’ increase in taxi fares in the Royal Borough to bring prices in line with the rate of inflation.

The Hackney carriage drivers’ tariff was last increased in 2022.

A group of drivers put forward a petition calling on the council to approve a 10 per cent price increase for the day fare.

They also want to see an increase for the minimum day fare from £6 to £7.

A report which went before the Royal Borough’s licensing panel at the town hall yesterday (Monday) said the tariff for a two-mile journey was lower in the borough than all other Berkshire authorities and most other neighbouring authorities.

Greg Nelson, the council’s trading standards and licensing manager, said that the increase would not be ‘out of line’ compared to its neighbours.

However, the vast majority of drivers who signed the petition (49 out of 50) are against increasing the nighttime fare.

This means there would be no change in price from 11pm to 6am and on bank holidays.

Hackney drivers spoke at the meeting in support of the changes.

One representative said: “We don’t want to burden customers with another tariff 2 [nighttime fare] rise.

“We acknowledged the competition and we as a trade had to think what was best for our trade.”

Councillors backed the change to the day tariff.

Councillor Neil Knowles (OWRA, Old Windsor) said: “People have got to make a living, that’s a fact.

He added: “I’m a big fan of the hackneys and the service they provide. I’m inclined to swing quite heavily behind [the drivers’] overwhelming opinion. I think it’s kind of a no brainer.”

He also warned against comparisons with Uber prices, due to the demand-led model of the platform.

Cllr Mark Wilson (Lib Dem, Eton and Castle) further said a price increase was ‘very much overdue’.

“The value of having vetted, licensed and local taxi drivers is very high. We are clearly below other areas, so I think it’s very reasonable to have this sort of catch up,” said Cllr Wilson.

Cllr Simon Bond (Lib Dem, Belmont) agreed that an increase is needed but also advised drivers to consider a future rise for their night tariff as well.

He said: “Given the amount of inflation that there’s been over the last three years I think option 1 [the day fare increase] could almost be thought of as overdue because it’s important that the drivers of our taxis are properly remunerated for the work they do.

“So, this increase is largely keeping up with real prices, including the rate of inflation.”

He said drivers should consider increasing the night tariff by 5 per cent in six months’ time to ‘strike the right balance’.

One councillor abstained from the vote, but the rest of the licensing panel voted in favour of increasing the day tariff fare by 10 per cent with no changes to the night tariff at this stage.

A 14-day statutory consultation period is now due to start, offering residents the opportunity to comment on the price increase before it is implemented.

Author:  StuartW [ Thu Oct 16, 2025 4:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RBWM councillors endorse 'flagfall' of £7 on T1

Quote:
[A councillor] also warned against comparisons with Uber prices, due to the demand-led model of the platform.

Make it make sense :roll:

Quote:
They also want to see an increase for the minimum day fare from £6 to £7.

Wondered if that was one of those wishful thinking things rather than the reality. But the current card does in fact show a £6 T1 flag :-o

But it's bizarre - it reads like a more normal flagfall, but then states a minimum fare of £6 on T1, and £9 on T2.

So what's the point of having a 'flagfall' below that? :-s

Make that make sense as well #-o

https://www.rbwm.gov.uk/business-and-ec ... iage-fares

Author:  StuartW [ Thu Oct 16, 2025 4:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RBWM councillors endorse 'flagfall' of £7 on T1

This is the photo they've used - of course, the 'royal borough' is the one with the purple bonnets and lopsided council logo on the doors :lol:

Can't remember how it all panned out, but does this photo mean they've moved away from all that?

And that the Merc in the photo has been plated for a while so still has the old scheme?

https://www.sloughobserver.co.uk/resour ... rticle-620

In fact it's probably the other way round - that's an 09-plate Doblo at the front, so presumably the photo is an old one taken while the colour scheme was being implemented... :?

High-res version of same photo:

https://www.sloughobserver.co.uk/resour ... s/20077781

Author:  edders23 [ Thu Oct 16, 2025 4:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RBWM councillors endorse 'flagfall' of £7 on T1

As i recall we had a thread that carried on a while discussing the livery arguments

I would say £7 flag is pretty high unless it includes substantial distance in the fare

Author:  StuartW [ Thu Feb 05, 2026 3:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RBWM councillors endorse 'flagfall' of £7 on T1

Well this is confusing enough in the first place, without the added stuff about the 50% surcharge for larger groups :-s

But, getting back to the more, er, straightforward stuff, a reminder that this is the council with a fairly standard flagfall etc, but with a 'minimum' current fare of £6 on T1 and £9 on T2. So why not just make those figures the flagfall, if they're the minimum fares anyway #-o

(In fact, strictly speaking they're maximum minimums, because the driver doesn't have to charge them :lol: )


Royal Borough councillors to make decision on taxi fares

https://www.sloughobserver.co.uk/news/2 ... axi-fares/

Councillors will be asked to make a final decision on plans to increase daytime taxi fares in the Royal Borough – after the proposals were ‘misunderstood’ by some drivers.

The Hackney carriage drivers’ tariff was last increased in 2022.

A group of drivers put forward a petition calling on the council to approve a 10 per cent price increase for the day fare.

They also wanted to see an increase for the minimum day fare from £6 to £7

There would be no change in price for the nighttime fare, which is in effect from 11pm to 6am and on bank holidays.

At a Royal Borough licensing panel meeting in October last year, councillors voted in favour of the proposed increase before it went out for a 14-day public consultation.

The tariff for a two-mile journey was lower in the borough than in all other Berkshire local authorities and most other neighbouring authorities, a report said.

But a handful of residents objected to the tariff changes during the consultation.

One objection said: “The wider RBWM strategies require a modal shift towards walkable towns. For this to succeed, there will need to be a greater use of taxis and public transport, as well as walking.

“The minimum fare is pricing people like myself out of the market unfairly. It sends a signal that affordable taxis are not generally available.”

It added the previous increase to the minimum fare from £3 to £6 put taxis ‘out of daily reach’ and turned them into ‘a luxury on any day’.

A report due to go before councillors at a licensing panel meeting on Monday (February 9), also said some drivers ‘misunderstood’ the changes to the fares.

It said some drivers believed that the minimum fare when using the 1b or 2b tariff – a higher price that applies to carriages carrying larger groups of people – should be 50 per cent higher than the standard minimum fare.

But Royal Borough officers said a 50 per cent rise in the minimum fare, on top of the 50 per cent surcharge for journey rates when carrying more people, would be ‘excessive and unfair’ on passengers.

The report added: “The intention was that the minimum fare, currently £6, would be the same for all vehicles and should not be 50 per cent more for people carriers carrying five or more passengers, i.e. £9.

The report also acknowledged that people with mobility problems, who are more likely to use Hackney carriages, would be ‘disproportionately affected’ by an increase in the tariff.

Councillors will make a final decision on the fares at the meeting.

Author:  StuartW [ Thu Feb 05, 2026 3:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RBWM councillors endorse 'flagfall' of £7 on T1

And maybe a wee bit of a bollock dropped in PHTM's rehash, which slavishly follows the local press's reference simply to 'Royal Borough', which is fair enough for local readers, but the average PHTM reader probably wouldn't have a clue which council they're referring to, precisely.

To be fair, the PHTM piece does have a graphic with the council logo, but if the graphic fails to load, or the reader has turned graphics off, or whatever...:


ROYAL BOROUGH TO VOTE ON TAXI FARE HIKE AMID CONFUSION OVER PRICES

https://www.phtm.co.uk/news/8548/phtm-n ... ver-prices

Councillors in the Royal Borough are set to make a final decision on Monday 9 February, on a proposed 10 per cent increase to daytime taxi fares.

Author:  StuartW [ Wed Feb 11, 2026 7:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: RBWM councillors endorse 'flagfall' of £7 on T1

Well this minimum fare that isn't the flagfall fare thing is confusing enough as it is :-s

But apparently that doesn't apply to the 50% higher fares in place for 5+ passengers.

So the flagfall will be higher for 5+passengers, but the minimum fare is just the same as the saloons #-o

I mean, check out the highlighted paragraphs below. Obviously no potential for driver and passenger confusion there :lol:


Panel approves increase in RBWM daytime taxi fares with potential for further rises

https://www.maidenhead-advertiser.co.uk ... rises.html

Councillors have unanimously voted in favour of an increase in daytime Hackney carriage fares in the Royal Borough – and further rises could be considered for larger taxis.

The Hackney carriage drivers’ tariff was last increased in 2022.

Last year, a group of drivers put forward a petition calling on the council to approve a 10 per cent price increase for the day tariff.

They also wanted to see the minimum day fare increase from £6 to £7.

There would be no change in price for the nighttime fare, which is in effect from 11pm to 6am, and on bank holidays.

The Royal Borough’s licensing panel unanimously agreed these changes on Monday (February 9) after the proposals went out for a 14-day consultation.

A 50 per cent surcharge on the standard daytime and nighttime tariffs is already in place for Hackney carriages carrying five or more people.

At the Town Hall meeting, Greg Nelson, the council’s trading standards and licensing manager, said: “This was agreed and introduced in 2022 to reflect the extra work and time taken with large groups of passengers in larger licensed vehicles.”

A report which went before councillors said some drivers had ‘misunderstood’ proposed changes to the taxi tariffs and thought the minimum daytime fare for these larger vehicles would rise from £6 to £9.

Mr Nelson added: “What was not intended was that, as well as this [surcharge], these journeys would also be subject to a minimum fare of 50 per cent higher than the minimum fare.

“The intention was that the minimum fare, which is currently £6, would be the same for all vehicles for all journeys.”

Officers considered that otherwise, having a 50 per cent increase to the minimum fare on top of the 50 per cent surcharge would be ‘unfair’ and ‘excessive’ for passengers, he added.


A Hackney carriage drivers’ representative told councillors that all tariffs should have been looked at ‘on an individual basis’.

He said that increasing the minimum day fare from £6 to £7 is ‘paramount’ now, with the tariff changes for bigger people carriers to be looked at later.

Councillors backed the taxi drivers and said the increase to the minimum fare would help, but ‘disproportionately disadvantage’ larger Hackney carriages.

Councillor Gurch Singh (Lib Dem, St Mary’s) said: “The drivers with the larger vehicles, obviously, if we just go with option one [the proposed change], they’re disproportionately disadvantaged, I suppose, because they’ve got the larger vehicles, they’re spending more money on the cars generally.

“They’ve got more costs, but the fare is about the same as [smaller] Hackneys.”

Cllr Simon Bond (Lib Dem, Belmont) and Cllr Neil Knowles (Ind, Old Windsor) agreed the minimum fare increase should be adopted now.

“I think then we would give some certainty to the Hackney drivers because we would be proceeding now, otherwise they’re going to wait another month, two months,” Cllr Knowles said.

But he said the option to increase the minimum fare for larger vehicles to be 50 per cent higher than the standard should also be reviewed ‘at a later point’.

Cllr Bond also said that this further increase for larger vehicles should be looked at ‘as soon as possible’.

Ultimately, councillors agreed to enact the increase in the day tariff by 10 per cent, with the minimum fare to be increased from £6 to £7.

But they also agreed to consult with the public on a potential further increase to the minimum fare for Hackney carriages carrying five or more people.

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