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Author:  StuartW [ Thu Dec 18, 2025 8:56 am ]
Post subject:  One week suspension for Edinburgh PHD who plied for hire

Don't tell me they're starting to do the same in Edinburgh as in Glasgow, and reporting all these licensing committee rulings :-o

Anyway, if this had been in certain authorities down south, he'd have been permanently out of a job, and possibly prosecuted through the criminal courts...

But, I mean, a seven-day suspension :roll:

And he'd have gotten away with it if the passenger hadn't got huffy about the quoted fare...


Edinburgh private hire driver suspended for a week after picking up passenger without booking

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/ ... ng-5445388

An Edinburgh private hire driver has had his licence suspended for a week after he admitted picking up a passenger outside Waverley Station without a pre-booking.

Councillors heard at a licensing meeting on Monday that Mehmood Fiaz UL Hassan engaged in ‘sophistry’ with council staff when challenged on his behaviour.

In addition, they were told he attempted to overcharge his passenger, who later reported him to the council.

Mr UL Hassan’s solicitor, Jonny Nisbet, said: “He was challenged about his breach of the rules, and he has panicked, set out a set of circumstances that had no basis in reality.

“A classic in a hole, deep digging type strategy with predictable consequences. He knows he’s done wrong.

“He does genuinely wish to apologise to the licensing authority for engaging with sophistry in response to legitimate questions, and he appreciates he is now facing a sanction.”

Mr Nisbet added the driver had not had any other regulatory issues in the past seven or eight years, and he had a clean driving licence.

Private hire drivers in Edinburgh can only pick up passengers who have booked a ride in advance, according to the city’s licensing conditions.

Conservative councillor and committee convener Jo Mowat advocated for a two week suspension, enacted in 28 days, saying a warning would not go far enough.

Liberal Democrat councillor Neil Ross said: “I think there was confusion, even though on the side of the car says ‘pre-hires only’. Maybe that’s not big enough.

“Nevertheless, clearly, there was an error of judgement made on behalf of the applicant, I would prefer that, because this is a one off, there is a written warning as soon as possible.”

Fellow Liberal Democrat Jack Caldwell argued for a position between the two, calling for a one week suspension enacted in 28 days.

Councillors voted for Cllr Caldwell’s position by 3-2 versus Cllr Mowat’s proposal.

Author:  StuartW [ Thu Dec 18, 2025 8:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: One week suspension for Edinburgh PHD who plied for hire

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Liberal Democrat councillor Neil Ross said: “I think there was confusion, even though on the side of the car says ‘pre-hires only’. Maybe that’s not big enough.

You mean the punter wouldn't have jumped in if the lettering had been bigger? :roll:

I suspect the punter was quite happy to paricipate in an illegal hire, and only got sniffy when the driver tried to overcharge him. Whatever 'overcharge' means in this context, precisely.

Author:  Sussex [ Thu Dec 18, 2025 6:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: One week suspension for Edinburgh PHD who plied for hire

I know I'm biased, but reading the small part of the discussion published leads me to believe those councillors haven't got a f******g clue about deciding penalties.

Absolutely pitiful. [-(

Author:  Sussex [ Fri Dec 19, 2025 9:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: One week suspension for Edinburgh PHD who plied for hire

Edinburgh black cab driver hits out over 'lenient' private hire driver's suspension for picking up passengers

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/ ... rs-5450077

An Edinburgh black cab taxi driver has hit out at the council over the ”lenient” private hire driver's suspension for picking up passengers off the streets.

An Edinburgh private hire driver has had his licence suspended for a week after he admitted picking up a passenger outside Waverley Station without a pre-booking.

Councillors heard at a licensing meeting on Monday that Mehmood Fiaz UL Hassan engaged in ‘sophistry’ with council staff when challenged on his behaviour. In addition, they were told he attempted to overcharge his passenger, who later reported him to the council.

Private hire drivers in Edinburgh can only pick up pre-booked fares, while black cab taxi drivers are allowed to pick-up passengers off the city’s streets.

Responding to the suspension, Edinburgh black cabbie and unite trade union rep Keith Auld, has written to the convener and members of the council’s Licensing Regulatory Committee, angry at what he calls a “lenient” punishment for breaking the rules.

In his letter, seen by the Evening News, Mr Auld said: “This conduct is not a minor or technical breach of licensing conditions. It strikes at the very core of the regulatory framework that exists to protect public safety, ensure fair competition, and maintain the reputation of Edinburgh’s licensed taxi trade.

“Illegal plying for hire by private hire care (PHC) drivers is a widespread and persistent issue across the city, and many within the trade feel that enforcement and deterrence have been insufficient to address it effectively.

“A driver who has held a private hire licence for seven years cannot reasonably claim ignorance or confusion regarding the fundamental requirement that all PHC journeys must be pre-booked. This is one of the most basic and well-established rules governing private hire operation, and accepting such an explanation risks undermining the credibility of the entire licensing regime.

“Against this backdrop, the decision to impose a suspension of only one week raises serious questions about proportionality and deterrence. Such a lenient penalty risks sending a damaging message to other drivers that engaging in illegal activity carries minimal consequence. Rather than discouraging unlawful behaviour, it may serve only to embolden it.”

Mr Auld also pointed out that such behaviour by private hire drivers in England would lead to criminal proceedings.

He said: “It is also worth noting that in England, private hire drivers who are caught plying for hire are typically dealt with through the criminal justice system. In many cases, drivers receive substantial financial penalties, often amounting to several hundreds of pounds, alongside penalty points on their driving licences, with six to nine points being fairly typical.

“By comparison, the sanction applied in this case appears exceptionally weak and entirely out of step with the seriousness of the offence.

“As someone who cares deeply about the integrity of the trade and the reputation of Edinburgh as a well-regulated, safe, and professional city, I find it difficult to understand how a one-week suspension can be viewed as sufficient in these circumstances.

“Hackney Carriage drivers operate under strict rules, undergo rigorous scrutiny, and face significant penalties for breaches. When those standards are undermined by illegal PHC activity that is met with minimal sanction, it erodes confidence in the system for drivers and the public alike.

“I respectfully urge the committee to reflect on the broader implications of this decision, particularly in light of the prevalence of illegal plying for hire and the need for clear, consistent, and robust enforcement. The trade requires a strong and unambiguous message that unlawful behaviour will not be tolerated, not one that risks normalising it.”

The suspension came on the same day that a private hire driver was caught on film crashing into another private hire taxi and a barrier at Edinburgh Airport.

Responding to Mr Auld’s comments in his correspondence with the Licensing Regulatory Committee, Licensing Sub-Committee Convener, Councillor Joanna Mowat said: “We’re unable to comment on individual cases.

“Committee is required to determine applications or requests for suspension on an individual basis, carefully weighing all the information in front of it. We hear as much of our business in public as possible for transparency.”

Author:  StuartW [ Sat Dec 20, 2025 2:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: One week suspension for Edinburgh PHD who plied for hire

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It is also worth noting that in England, private hire drivers who are caught plying for hire are typically dealt with through the criminal justice system. In many cases, drivers receive substantial financial penalties, often amounting to several hundreds of pounds, alongside penalty points on their driving licences, with six to nine points being fairly typical."

Wouldn't mind seeing the evidence for that claim.

Of course, that happens in quite a few cases. But are PHDs caught plying for hire in England *typically* prosecuted through the criminal courts? :?

Anyway, perhaps the other operative word apart from 'typically' is *caught*.

I mean, it would be interesting to know the number of Wolves cars plying for hire, as opposed to those caught.

It's probably not a figure anyone could quantify with any degree of real accuracy. But I'd guess the proportion is minuscule.

So although Edinburgh probably doesn't catch many, and the punishments probably lenient compared to the likes of South Oxon or a handful of other local authorities, to portray Edinburgh as some sort of outlier compared to England generally is probably wide of the mark.

Author:  Roy-the-bus [ Sat Dec 20, 2025 7:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: One week suspension for Edinburgh PHD who plied for hire

I'd say that going by the number of cases on here the answer is yes, ph drivers caught ling for hire face penalties in excess of £1000. 3 points and loss of ph licence.

Author:  StuartW [ Sun Dec 21, 2025 10:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: One week suspension for Edinburgh PHD who plied for hire

In fact, a quick search of the Liverpool City Council licensing Twitter account reveals probably more bald tyres and a few plying for hire cases from Wolverhampton PHVs than on Wolverhampton's equivalent licensing enforcement account :-o

And, indeed, on the handful of cases the Wolverhampton account has mentioned plying for hire in the past few years it's all a bit vague as regard what actually went on. Which, of course, is entirely consistent with the account's impression that, for example, they'll only mention specific issues (or the lack thereof) when it's a clean bill of health, but if issues are found then they'll simply say they've been doing an enforcement exercise.

But, of course, in terms of actual numbers on the ground, these mentions in Twitter accounts are largely meaningless. But they do that stuff for PR/comms purposes. And the Wolverhampton account always gives the impression they're spinning a line.

https://x.com/lcc_licensing/status/1729593186513793351

https://x.com/lcc_licensing/status/1218703258337849344

https://x.com/lcc_licensing/status/1769642809810731359

https://x.com/lcc_licensing/status/1561188012670730240

https://x.com/lcc_licensing/status/1617536697842941953

https://x.com/lcc_licensing/status/1797382882450686134

https://x.com/lcc_licensing/status/1784354046628749437

https://x.com/lcc_licensing/status/1538303692159475715

https://x.com/lcc_licensing/status/1949424870091378802

https://x.com/lcc_licensing/status/1236527394682437632

https://x.com/lcc_licensing/status/1171090823078993921

https://x.com/lcc_licensing/status/1929133229467988064

https://x.com/lcc_licensing/status/1538977421239758848

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