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i ask again due to the fact the last topic has gone AWOL and never got a chance to read the reply to my post.

Q. why fight the case and win then sell out IMO it can only make you the same as what you are fighting against.

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I suspect licenses are changing hands in Edinburgh and elsewhere on a weekly basis so you can't very well single out any one of these applicants on moral grounds without including every other seller of licenses.

i think i can JD.

they are fighting the system but then using it to make a profit its double standards IMO and they have lost my respect for that. i agree everyone should have the right to own there own taxi and correct me if i am wrong but thats what this whole issue is about not getting rich

The only problem I can see is that Salteri were better at profiteering than the rest of them :lol:

they are fighting the system but then using it to make a profit its double standards IMO and they have lost my respect for that. i agree everyone should have the right to own there own taxi and correct me if iam wrong but thats what this whole issue is about not getting rich

From what I've read and heard over the years the more grief a council gets from sections of the trade the more chance they will de-limit.

Three examples spring to mind, Kelly in Wirral, 203020 in Dundee and Cummings in Cardiff. Now without them their council wouldn't have de-limited IMO.

Although the chap in Cardiff didn't want it, but IMO his actions caused it.

Author:	Skull [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:18 am ]
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It seems there are a lot of people out there getting a little bent out of shape. Could it be the threat of de- restriction looming in the background? Isn’t Edinburgh council here to protect all these Taxi “businessmen” types from their own stupidity? You know, the ones financed up to the eyeballs totally dependent the drivers to prop up their little illusions…. It’s not like anyone is taking away their plate or taxi. They can still shout “I’m a businessman” from the nearest rooftop as the chuck themselves off. It makes you wonder what they really bought with their 50K plate and 30K cab finance. BTW, what did you buy that you won't still have when de-restriction strikes?:lol: It couldn't be the driver? I don't remember that being part of the package. Unless someone knows different?

Author:	Skull [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:32 am ]
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It just goes to show how desperately dependent on the driver they are. No driver, no little illusion. The power dynamic is changing ever so slightly. The big men are fast becoming the little men. How the mighty have fallen

Author:	Skull [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:44 am ]
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The Edinburgh Taxi Owners 80K business plan: De- restriction will never happen. It’s just a rumour. The council won’t de-restrict. It will never happen. Will they? Won’t they? It’ll never happen. Well it might but I don’t think it will. Fingers crossed. Oh shi*

Author:	Skull [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 12:52 am ]
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BTW, the really clever thing they do is to secure their “business loan” with their bricks and mortar. Sharp or what?

Author:	Sussex [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:48 pm ]
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Exactly what are you trying to say Mr Skull? I remember someone with a huge amount of sense ( ) saying the worst thing that could happen to the Edinburgh taxi trade was when you got mugged off for your plates by the courts.

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Author:	chipper [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:44 pm ]
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i ask again due to the fact the last topic has gone AWOL and never got a chance to read the reply to my post. Q. why fight the case and win then sell out IMO it can only make you the same as what you are fighting against. A. ----------

Author:	JD [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:57 pm ]
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chipper wrote: i ask again due to the fact the last topic has gone AWOL and never got a chance to read the reply to my post. Q. why fight the case and win then sell out IMO it can only make you the same as what you are fighting against. A. ---------- I suppose they fought the case because they were denied their legitimate right under the law to be granted a license. What they do with the license when they get it is entirely up to them. None of the applicants are responsible for the councils restricted policy so if there is a market for licenses then it is the fault of the council and not the applicants. I suspect licenses are changing hands in Edinburgh and elsewhere on a weekly basis so you can't very well single out any one of these applicants on moral grounds without including every other seller of licenses. Regards JD

Author:	chipper [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:02 pm ]
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JD wrote: I suspect licenses are changing hands in Edinburgh and elsewhere on a weekly basis so you can't very well single out any one of these applicants on moral grounds without including every other seller of licenses. i think i can JD. they are fighting the system but then using it to make a profit its double standards IMO and they have lost my respect for that. i agree everyone should have the right to own there own taxi and correct me if iam wrong but thats what this whole issue is about not getting rich

Author:	JD [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:20 pm ]
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chipper wrote: i think i can JD. they are fighting the system but then using it to make a profit its double standards IMO and they have lost my respect for that. i agree everyone should have the right to own there own taxi and correct me if i am wrong but thats what this whole issue is about not getting rich So are you suggesting Edinburgh council is the system and every time they receive a license application they should be allowed to ignore the law that underpins the system? Thats a very novel way of saying people in restricted areas shouldn't apply for licenses and even more sinister that they shouldn't challenge an unlawful decision. I hope you never ever have cause to come up against a system of the type you advocate? I think you don't like the idea of these applicants being afforded the same opportunity as every other license holder but you are entitled to hold that opinion and seeing as how opinion nearly always stimulates debate then we welcome it. Regards JD

Author:	TDO [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:29 pm ]
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The only problem I can see is that Salteri were better at profiteering than the rest of them

Author:	JD [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:53 pm ]
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TDO wrote: The only problem I can see is that Salteri were better at profiteering than the rest of them lol I think they perhaps got lucky by virtue of the fact that someone in Edinburgh advised them to apply and indeed keep their applications live. In the main some applicants have Garry Thompson to thank for their perseverance because it was him who informed some of them that they were legally entitled to the license and he was entirely correct. Regards JD

Author:	Skull [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:06 pm ]
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chipper wrote: i ask again due to the fact the last topic has gone AWOL and never got a chance to read the reply to my post. Q. why fight the case and win then sell out IMO it can only make you the same as what you are fighting against. A. ---------- Look chipper, I don’t struggle with the moral argument. If you want to buy in that’s fine by me. If you want to sell then that’s fine by me also. You pay your money and it’s your choice. The more money, the more choices, it’s that simple and it's their rules. If you have a problem then speaks to the authorities. I know some people who have multiple plates. I also know people who have sold and bought in on more than one occassion. I don’t judge them one way or the other. I don't see Festival City Cabs having a moral crisis with 50 applications. Or does the moral or ethical issue only apply to the hacks?

Author:	Sussex [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:57 pm ]
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chipper wrote: they are fighting the system but then using it to make a profit its double standards IMO and they have lost my respect for that. i agree everyone should have the right to own there own taxi and correct me if iam wrong but thats what this whole issue is about not getting rich From what I've read and heard over the years the more grief a council gets from sections of the trade the more chance they will de-limit. Three examples spring to mind, Kelly in Wirral, 203020 in Dundee and Cummings in Cardiff. Now without them their council wouldn't have de-limited IMO. Although the chap in Cardiff didn't want it, but IMO his actions caused it.

Author:	Skull [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:58 pm ]
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Now here’s a little surprise Edinburgh. I know a number of people who are speculating on de-restriction. That’s right boys and girls, people are looking to make a lot of money picking over your financial bones. As they say "some things in life are worth waiting on." The fun is just begining….

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Author:	JD [ Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:58 pm ]
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Sussex wrote: From what I've read and heard over the years the more grief a council gets from sections of the trade the more chance they will de-limit. Three examples spring to mind, Kelly in Wirral, 203020 in Dundee and Cummings in Cardiff. Now without them their council wouldn't have de-limited IMO. Although the chap in Cardiff didn't want it, but IMO his actions caused it. Quite right, I wish I'd have thought of that. Councillors are human beings, so they would have us believe and I suppose they react to circumstance. They were certainly presented with a few circumstances in each of the cases you mention. Regards JD