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Liverpool considers the E 7 yet again .
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Author:  streetcars [ Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:15 am ]
Post subject:  Liverpool considers the E 7 yet again .
http://councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/Pub ... ocA.ps.pdf



How can a Council not Licence the E 7 . when they License the Fx 4, Fairway and Metro cab . Many of which are absolute sheds .

Is the council Licensing department ,being run for the benefit of the Liverpool public .Or for the benefit of vested interest in Liverpool . :?: I often wonder, we will see. Streetcars
Author:  skippy41 [ Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:56 pm ]
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Oh well maybe next year, then :sad: :sad:
I still dont understand this though they are licenced all other areas around Liverpool, so what is stopping them
I was in one in skelmersdale last week, and that's only 15 miles away
Author:  mancityfan [ Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:17 pm ]
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Perhaps they should read the
THE QUEEN ON THE APPLICATION OF LEEDS CITY COUNCIL (CLAIMANT)
-v-
TAXI CENTRE (NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE) LTD (DEFENDANT)
Author:  skippy41 [ Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:29 pm ]
Post subject: 
mancityfan wrote:
Perhaps they should read the
THE QUEEN ON THE APPLICATION OF LEEDS CITY COUNCIL (CLAIMANT)
-v-
TAXI CENTRE (NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE) LTD (DEFENDANT)


No it should read LTI the prosecution :x
and cab Direct the defence :D
Author:  Sussex [ Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Liverpool considers the E 7 yet again .
streetcars wrote:
How can a Council not Licence the E 7 . when they License the Fx 4, Fairway and Metro cab . Many of which are absolute sheds.

When you have the butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker deciding what's best for cab drivers, just about anything can happen.

Especially in Liverpool. :roll:
Author:  streetcars [ Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Liverpool has deferred decision on E7.
The Committee considered an application submitted by Allied Vehicles Limited for the approval of a Peugeot E7 Wheelchair Accessible “Taxi” for use as a licensed hackney carriage within the City of Liverpool.



With the permission of the Committee Terry Fryer the Regional Operations Manager and Bill Parris the National Operations Manager from Allied Vehicles (the Applicant’s) addressed the meeting. They stated that -



· The E7 is fully wheelchair accessible

· It has additional safety and environmental benefits

· The vehicle is purpose built and supports 350 jobs

· The E7 has full EC approval to Gold Standard

· The monopoly of the supply is to a disadvantage, the introduction of the E7 would provide choice

· The E7 has lower costs of acquisition and operation

· The E7 has lower fuel consumption

· The E7 is instantly recognisable; there is no confusion in all the areas were the E7 is currently licensed.

· 95% of licensing areas use the E7.

· The statement from Merseyside Police is a personal opinion. The E7 already operates in the Merseyside area.

· An individual door lock is fitted to the E7 enabling the driver to only allow the door at the kerbside to be opened, making it impossible for passengers to alight into traffic.

· Wheelchair users are in support of the E7

_____



The Committee left the room to view a Peugeot E7

_____



With the permission of the Committee Andrew Overton, LTI addressed the meeting. He stated that –



· LTI Vehicles manufacture and sell, through Taxifix Ltd, the TX range of purpose built taxis that make up the majority of the Liverpool taxi fleet.

· He believes that the current Conditions should not be diluted

· The London style cab is the finest in the world and everybody knows it is a taxi, uniformity is important. LTI never build a vehicle for private hire.

· Issues with the E7 include the turning circle, headroom inside the vehicle and the step height into the vehicle.

· If the standard is changed, this may create a precedent.

_____



With the permission of the Committee Tommy McIntyre, T&G representative addressed the meeting. He stated that –



· He had spoken to Merseycabs and the quote stated by the Applicant is wrong. They do not support the E7; the quote was from one person who works at Merseycabs.

· There is NVQ and BTEC training for drivers on disabled access

· The sliding door is still an issue. The Applicants have introduced a high visibility light stating that doors are opening, the problem is that this is positioned on the roof of the vehicle and will divert a drivers eye line.

· He feels that the E7 lessons standards.

· TX vehicles are instantly recognisable.

· The T&G would back any manufacturer that made taxis keeping to the standards we have now.

_____



With the permission of the Committee Billy Dickinson addressed the meeting. He stated that –



· It should be left to market forces to dictate what vehicles we have

· Other Authorities have accepted the E7

· Drivers should be given the chance to have an alternative choice of vehicle

_____



With the permission of the Committee Alma Lunt, a wheelchair user and John Bruce, Chair of the Liverpool Wheelchair User Group, addressed the meeting. They stated that –



· They are in favour of the E7. Not all TX vehicles are wheelchair accessable.

· The E7 is a more comfortable ride and has quicker and easier securing for a wheelchair and the ramp felt safer

· People are having difficulty with the TX design. You can only fit one other passenger in a TX with a wheelchair, there is a much greater floor area in the E7

· Wheelchair users would like to a choice of the vehicle they use.

_____



With the permission of the Committee Joanna Connolly, representing fleet operators, addressed the meeting. She stated that –



· There is an E7 currently licensed as private hire

· The turning circle is part of the Conditions and the E7 does not meet this Condition

· The fleet operators support the retention of the TX vehicles

_____



The Applicant’s again addressed the meeting in response to some of the points raised. They stated that in their opinion the 12ft difference between the E7 and TX in the turning circle is not significant; they feel that the turning circle is not necessary and it supports a monopoly. The securing points to allow a wheelchair to be forward facing are an additional extra at a cost of £250. They asked that the Committee set aside the turning circle Condition and licence the E7 for use as a taxicab, thus providing a wider choice of accessible vehicles and allow competition in the market place.

_____



Resolved that this matter be deferred in order to –



a) clarify Merseyside Police’s opinion



b) consult with other Authorities on the types of vehicle they licence



c) carry out a cost exercise on the E7



d) look at the petition cards submitted by the Applicant for validity; and



e) clarify DfT guidance on vehicle type approval
Author:  Sussex [ Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:04 pm ]
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WTF has it got to do with the f***ing police? :sad:

The vehicle is used in many more places as cabs than not. Are the police in those areas campaigning for the abolition of the E7?

Or are they, quite rightly, more concerned with catching criminals? [-(
Author:  Sussex [ Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Liverpool has deferred decision on E7.
streetcars wrote:
c) carry out a cost exercise on the E7l

WTF has that got to do with the council?

If they are too dear then only stupid drivers will buy them. ](*,)
Author:  skippy41 [ Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:07 pm ]
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Quote:
DfT best practice is that councils should not limit vehicle choice to one or two specific manufacturers?


So why are the holding back :roll: :roll: :roll:
Author:  streetcars [ Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:25 pm ]
Post subject: 
Sussex wrote:
WTF has it got to do with the f***ing police? :sad:

The vehicle is used in many more places as cabs than not. Are the police in those areas campaigning for the abolition of the E7?

Or are they, quite rightly, more concerned with catching criminals? [-(
Absolutly, Rhys Jones murderer, is still walking the Streets. I could name him, but i will not.
Its amazing ,who they can wheel out, when they are desperate. Liverpool head motor vehicle inspector , has only got a City and Guilds . What the [edited by admin] does he Know. :shock:
Author:  streetcars [ Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:29 pm ]
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skippy41 wrote:
Quote:
DfT best practice is that councils should not limit vehicle choice to one or two specific manufacturers?


So why are the holding back :roll: :roll: :roll:
Because Tommy Joanne . Oh and Taxi fux dont want it. What the [edited by admin] its got to with Taxi fux i have know idea .
Author:  jimbo [ Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:55 pm ]
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Sussex wrote:
WTF has it got to do with the f***ing police? :sad:

The vehicle is used in many more places as cabs than not. Are the police in those areas campaigning for the abolition of the E7?

Or are they, quite rightly, more concerned with catching criminals? [-(


"the f***ing police?"

In Lincolnshire we have traffic police, and drugs squad, CID, etc, what on earth is the remit of the "f***ing police?"
Author:  Sussex [ Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:02 pm ]
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jimbo wrote:
what on earth is the remit of the "f***ing police?"

It would appear it's to stick their hooters into our business. :sad:
Author:  GBC [ Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:12 am ]
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streetcars wrote:
Absolutly, Rhys Jones murderer, is still walking the Streets. I could name him, but i will not.


God, is Tigger back? :roll:
Author:  badger [ Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:56 am ]
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streetcars wrote:
Rhys Jones murderer, is still walking the Streets. I could name him, but i will not.
WHAT THE FECK DO YOU MEAN BY THAT [-( [-(
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