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 Post subject: TfL U-turn?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 8:51 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 9:36 pm 
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Oh what a massive surprise !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The PCO or TfL decide that a dangerous maneuver is a justification for keeping the turning circle.

They spend vast amounts of money on a study, then ignore a significant part of it.

The PCO/TfL have done what many do, make a decision, whether that is a sound one makes no difference, then hope and pray that no-one has got the balls or the dough to front them out.

Thankfully Cab Direct have got both, and I wish them well.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 9:41 pm 
Well, well, well, the policy making was done all wrong, and gives a lie that politicans can do what they want you cannot and in this case it was badly flawed.

It started all very well, to the Transport Labratory for a report and all round consultation,

The transport lab was cast asside, as was the biggest taxi driver grouping LTDA, whilst Midland Labour M.Ps were going around like peacocks having Lobied Ken and saved jobs, beg your pardon? this was supposed to be about London and the best for London.

It hasnt escaped the PCO, for years have been accused at being the puppets of London Taxi International.

The TandG well my union has got its hands dirty too, but prooving the interests of car makers will always take predecence over my interests, that I knew, but for taxi leaders throughout this land and we have seen it on here to try to defend the undefendable, is something I find unsavoury, distastefull and appauling.

Surely the TFL, must have known with investigations from oft, the european courts, that they would be caught out and this was a chance to bring the possible critisim to an end.

Surely the TFL, must have expected a legal challenge? surely they knew they wouldnt get away with it?

the driver controlled doors, are not so much an issue that can be done, its the turning cirle that is the real issue.

When new policies are announced the TFL, should have had confidence to let the challenge go ahead, the fact they have not, coupled with the soundings off from T and G and the payment of costs to Cab Direct shows quite clearly of a policy funge and policy wanting

so we will have mess all through the trade because of sloppy fixes on issues that should not have arisen.

remember the issue is about service delivery in London, not jobs in the Midlands.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:21 am 
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The policy for taxis moved from the home office to mayor,
The coach builders said "conditions of fitness are quite bare"
The mayors said lets have a look,
We can always review and change the book.

He commissioned a study from the transport Lab,
"Dear Gentlemen take a look at our London Cab".
the Midland Builders were is shock,
"Nobody can match our tight lock",

The Pco were outgoing to look at the range
"Its fourty years we know weve got to change"
The alternatives updated thier plant,
"we are ready" they began to rant,

The news began to fill, about a change in Hand
"its time to draw a line in the sand"
The taxi cabbies held back from replacing thier cab
till London taxis sales run down quite sad

The shares dropped, like a black eye shiner
we have an idea lets build them in china!
The news flooded about taxis in the far east,
sales will rise like bread and hot yeast.

But the deal soon turned Black,
LTI were back on the rack,
Time was passing oh so fast,
"We have a new car" lti began to blast.

The streets began to fill with rumour,
LTI had made a big bloomer,
cars recalled with a fault in the steering box,
The alternatives laughed to thier sox,

soon the oft began to investigate the trade,
surely argument for change was well made?
The Mayor recieved his report from the transport Lab
"Their was room for modern change in the London Cab"

The Tand G gave a couple of Mercs to their members,
"we miss our London Taxi taxis that we remember"
Midland mps began to lobby, to the mayor,
we have hundreds of jobs at risk its not fair,

The announcement came from the carriage office,
"the present conditions of fitness shall suffice"
so Direct cab sent in a writ,
the PCO had a fit,

"Shall you be reasonable like most"
yes said cab direct "if you pay our cost"
so conditions of fitness are back to review
and its all done in the name of you.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:28 am 
SAY theres no where to delete and alter
My ego begins to falter

sorry
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 2:57 am 
I've deleted what you've repeated,
since you were a guest,
and not one of the best,
the powers to delete remain ours.

But you too can be one of the best,
just fill in your name and the rest,
then you can edit and delete,
until your post is complete,
and that way you'll have passed the test.

But I see you are already a member,
to sign on perhaps you did not remember,
if it keeps logging you out,
just give me a shout,
and I'll try and sort it all out.

But when logging in,
leaving the 'log me on automatically' box unticked is a sin,
thus you can become logged out,
without having done nowt.

And your post when you have read it,
if you cannot believe it,
unable to amend,
may drive you round the bend.

OK, I'll stick to the day job.

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Hmmmmmm !!

I don't know if anyone has read Cab Trade News, but they still keep banging on about who unfair it is to LTI, if they changed the COF.

F*** their driver members, they can afford to have a £30,000+, 22mpg, unsafe (as per the report) turning circle ability, vehicle.

If LTI and the T&G were that serious about the drivers, then why hasn't the TXs got airbags and ABS?

It's no good saying they will in the future, if a £5,000 little Korean car has them, then so should LTI.

The problem is LTI can't afford them, cos all there money is spent advertising in the trade press. Shame on them and those who toe their line, just for their money. :(


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 12:51 pm 
i think they need to make all t&gwu members drive tx2, and give the rest of a chance of having a choice.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 1:39 pm 
As an aside.

If Jubilee find their Merc accepted as a hackney by the PCO it would open a decent market for them.

But surely in that case, in the public interest, it would be banned from being licenced as a Private Hire vehicle in the capital to avoid confusion. Meaning it had an even bigger market closed off to it.

So which way would want to go?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 2:41 pm 
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As an aside.

If Jubilee find their Merc accepted as a hackney by the PCO it would open a decent market for them.


the jubillee hackney merc is not avalable to private hire in the capital as far as I know.

Wharfie

But surely in that case, in the public interest, it would be banned from being licenced as a Private Hire vehicle in the capital to avoid confusion. Meaning it had an even bigger market closed off to it.

So which way would want to go?


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 3:10 pm 
Tom Thumb wrote:
As an aside.

If Jubilee find their Merc accepted as a hackney by the PCO it would open a decent market for them.

But surely in that case, in the public interest, it would be banned from being licenced as a Private Hire vehicle in the capital to avoid confusion. Meaning it had an even bigger market closed off to it.

So which way would want to go?


4 month waiting list though, thats if you can get through to them, thats if they return your phone calls etc etc I could go on. :D :D :D :D


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 4:39 pm 
Poor Old Nidge, you do get your needle stuck don't you.

Jubilee (have you ever been there?) is a small sized company set up to do vehicle conversions. It isn't a car manufacturer that sells around the world that is part of a major PLC, Manganeze Bronze.

The term Jubilee Merc is really only generic for a vehicle, the type of which is replicated in many different conversion specialists. I believe the conversation everyone else is having is about Mercedes van conversions as a type, not just vehicles from Jubilee.

Were that type of to vehicle become accepted I am sure you will find a huge number of other suppliers as well( might even knock out a few conversion myself, I understand you just buy the kits).

But what a pickle the PCO would be in if one of the growing band of heavy investors in PH in London decided to put 100 Merc van conversions on the road as PH.

Could/would the PCO stop them.


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Yes, excellent point Tom, did someone say some of the Eurocabs or whatever were already being operated as PH in London?

That would be a cracker, not only for the PCO, but also for the lads in London who are fighting for alternative vehicles and at the same time fighting against London PH signage.

As for the public interest in not blurring the PH/HC boundaries, it certainly hasn't stopped it in the rest of the country!!

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Oh dear. Just another argument in favour of a single-tier system?

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Tom Thumb wrote:
But surely in that case, in the public interest, it would be banned from being licenced as a Private Hire vehicle in the capital to avoid confusion. Meaning it had an even bigger market closed off to it.

So which way would want to go?


It's a valid point Tom, but I can foresee an end to all the different coloured Black Cabs, leaving them all to be Black. :?

Clearly the PH versions wont have the Icon or the screen between punter and driver, but some customers will get confused.

As they do at present and for many years before.

But to answer your question, I think the likes of Mercedes will do what all good businesses do, have it both ways. :shock:


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