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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:41 am 
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Thousands of TX4 owners sit waiting with baited breath. Waiting for a statement from their regulating body, the Public Carriage Office for a statement that should have been made Friday lunch time.

The manufactures
say they have finally identified the fault. It seems that the TX4’s Exhaust Gas Recirculation pipe unbelievably, was initially fitted without a thermal sleeve and was made of an inferior material and also did not have an effective heat shield.
They have also said “To rebuild driver confidence in the TX4, LTI will also fit a fire suppression system”.
Wait and see what the cost of a service on that comes to at the yearly overhaul.

Will the PCO
approve these modifications on Monday?
Will they issue stop notes to all the TX4’s until a modification has been carried out?

source www.theandersonshelter.blogspot.com


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:43 am 
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Will the PCO approve these modifications on Monday?

If they do approve the modifications today, then why didn't they do so on Friday and let the lads earn over the weekend? :?

Which makes me think they wont. I hope I'm wrong. :sad:

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The modifications have been approved but the problem seems to have manifested itself by virtue of high mileage and practically continuous use.

When new models reach the same usage and mileage threshold can we expect a similar reaction?

Here is the engine

http://www.lti.co.uk/tx4/engine/

And a brief report into the failures in EXHAUST GAS RECIRCULATION PIPE SYSTEMS.

http://www.eng.brad.ac.uk/eqi/downloads ... elling.pdf

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Fractographic analysis of field-failed pipes using SEM and optical microscopy confirmed failure by fatigue crack propagation, with cracks initiated at the base of the second convolution on internal and external surfaces.


Well there you have it!!

I just knew it was always going to be the second convolution that would be the problem!!

I knew I was right from the very beginning!!


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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
JD wrote:
Fractographic analysis of field-failed pipes using SEM and optical microscopy confirmed failure by fatigue crack propagation, with cracks initiated at the base of the second convolution on internal and external surfaces.


Well there you have it!!

I just knew it was always going to be the second convolution that would be the problem!!



That's quite a convoluted argument :lol:


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Spoke with LTI today, they expect to start re-calls early next week, glad I am one of the first. 50 a day, 1000 to do, so won't be finished in London till end of October. Then the rest of the UK.


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PaulHornchurch wrote:
Spoke with LTI today, they expect to start re-calls early next week, glad I am one of the first. 50 a day, 1000 to do, so won't be finished in London till end of October. Then the rest of the UK.


I supose its possible that some people might be off the road until 2009?

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Here's one case that might shed some light on 1979 sale of goods act.

J&H Ritchie Ltd v Lloyd Ltd Also known as JH Ritchie Ltd v Lloyd Ltd House of Lords 07 March 2007.

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Rejecting goods is an option which many TX4 owners may wish to exercise providing their legal advisers can make out a solid case for such rejection because you can bet your bottom dollar LTI will not willingly accept back these faulty vehicles but instead try and substitute repair for rejection.

I am putting together some essential case law and comment for another thread in respect of the rights of TX4 owners but here is a brief insight into the case I refered to above.
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Lords uphold buyer's right to reject after repair

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Information crucial if buyer to be taken bound to accept goods

The House of Lords has filled in a gap in sale of goods law in a Scottish appeal over a faulty agricultural seed drill and power harrow.

The point at issue concerned the buyer's right to reject faulty goods which the seller has taken back to repair.


The Law Lords allowed an appeal by Paisley farmers J & H Ritchie Ltd in an action against suppliers Lloyd Ltd of Kelso. Ritchies found a serious vibration problem with the machinery, which bought secondhand, within a day or so of starting to use it, and Lloyds agreed to take it back for inspection and, if possible, repair. By the time Ritchies were told the equipment was ready the sowing season was over and when Lloyds refused to confirm the nature of the problem, Ritchies decided to reject the equipment.

In the sheriff court it was found that the equipment had been repaired to "factory gate standard", and the Court of Session by a majority ruled that as the goods were of satisfactory quality by the time they were rejected, the purported rejection came too late.

The Lords, however, ruled that Lloyds' refusal to explain what had been wrong was fatal to their defence. Lord Hope of Craighead said that in the absence of express agreement, the result had to depend on what terms, if any, were to be implied into the contract at the stage of the repair having been carried out, "bearing in mind that the seller was in breach at the time of delivery and that the buyer retains the right to resile because the goods were not in conformity with the contract".

If the nature of the problem was obvious and the buyer allowed the seller to incur the cost of repair, the buyer would be under an obligation to take and pay for the goods once repaired. But, he continued, where the nature of the defect was not obvious,

"The effect of section 35(2)(a) [of the Sale of Goods Act 1979] is that, as the buyer is not deemed to have accepted the goods, he retains the right to reject them.

That right will, of course, be lost if, at any time, he decides to accept the goods or is deemed to have accepted them.

**But it is a right of election which the buyer cannot be expected to exercise until he has the information that he needs to make an informed choice. The seller, for his part, cannot refuse to give him the information that he needs to exercise it."**


He continued: "A condition that the seller would provide this information, if it was asked for, was one which every buyer would seek for his own protection in such circumstances. It was one which no reasonable seller, who was already in breach of contract, could refuse as a condition of being given the opportunity to cure the defect and preserve the contract."

The Lords' decision can be read at http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... itch-2.htm .
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Cab going into M&O tomorrow, and should be returned Friday Evening or Saturday, 3 weeks after being put off the road. The garden looks good and the house is clean but my bank account doesn't look good.

Here goes 14 hour days, seven days a week till xmas

Be Lucky Paul


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PaulHornchurch wrote:
Cab going into M&O tomorrow, and should be returned Friday Evening or Saturday, 3 weeks after being put off the road. The garden looks good and the house is clean but my bank account doesn't look good.

Here goes 14 hour days, seven days a week till xmas

Be Lucky Paul


I've seen 2 TX4 56's back on the road, so they have at least made a start.

Paul, what VIN number are you ?? How much notice did they give you ?? Let us know how it goes. I'm told they have to drop the engine and gearbox. :shock:


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Lti will only have fitted a complete engine unit supplied by VM (its that engine isnt it?) so isnt it VM's fault?

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Hi, to answer earlier question. I got a call yesterday afternoon, and vin number is 263. They need cab for 2-3 days, I presume they prefer to have cabs sitting there, rather than fitters waiting around for cabs to arrive.


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So it would seem things are moving (slowly) in the "smoke".

Bit different out here in the "Provinces".

Three cabs with no plates in Plymouth. One driver got told his Taxi would be picked up on a transporter on Monday for a short holiday in Birmingham, the other two were told yesterday that they would be going today. Semi arranged ('cause we couldn't get hold of LTI) that all three would go today - then surprise surprise, no transporter.

Now they are being told "transporter Tuesday".

Seems to me that as well as being poor in other areas, the "L" in LTI can't possibly be for "Logistics".

LTI could reasonably be accused of being unable to organise a Social Function within the environs of a beer production facility.

Bad as all of this situation is, the worst aspect, for which I can find in my heart no room for forgiveness, the total lack of communication from LTI.

Someone at LTI should be giving daily or even twice daily updates, I think the next "update" will hit the net at about 1750hrs on Friday - just too late to get hold of anyone until Monday.

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PaulHornchurch wrote:
Hi, to answer earlier question. I got a call yesterday afternoon, and vin number is 263. They need cab for 2-3 days, I presume they prefer to have cabs sitting there, rather than fitters waiting around for cabs to arrive.


Thanks for the heads up.


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