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so you lost another round :shock:

chipper wrote:

so you lost another round :shock:

Lost "another" round?

Perhaps. But it's the final round that is important.

Unfortunately, because we're playing a game in an arena the council can afford to engage in, whereas the average scrote can't, we're having to learn on the hoof.

And there is no way that we could predict that lawyers would actively work to torpedo a client's case.

However, on we go. The cases continue. After a decision is made whether to appeal the current one, then there are still 6 more cases to go, along with the forthcoming new applications. And, time is on our side now.

You still seem to be under some illusion that this is solely about licences.

jasbar wrote:

You still seem to be under some illusion that this is solely about licences.

No we're all under the impression its about you getting something for nothing then selling it......again.

CC

jasbar wrote:

chipper wrote:

so you lost another round :shock:

me thinks you dont have a clue jim you have said on "fasties" that you lawyer torpedoed your case then post a link showing him to be a plonker dont you think it would have been a good idea to look at this web site b4 using this boy and going to court where you and your gang are made to look fools while the whole of the trade who you have been telling the day of doom is coming start wetting themselfs

if your still having to learn on the "hoof" after how long??? you should just give up
you should be ready and have researched everything that might come your way and that includes which lawyer you have

http://www.sacl.info/rogues.htm

(look for John Taylor)
quote -
In 2005 John Taylor was found guilty of serious professional misconduct. His offences included multiple breaches of strict solicitors' accounts rules, which are in place to protect clients. Taylor knowingly disregarded these rules and his misconduct was so serious that he even debited clients for fees without rendering fee notes. In effect, he treated his clients’ cash as his own.

Crooked Taylor narrowly avoided being struck off; was fined £5000 and made the subject of a 5-year 'practising restriction'. In theory, he is supposed to be supervised by partners at MacLachlan and MacKenzie, the law firm where he now works. The senior partners there are fully aware of his shady past - but for their own selfish reasons have chosen to conceal this from current and prospective clients.

iam not trying to take the p1ss jim but its starting to sound a bit like like a broken record mate or was it the good old kids story "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"

winning will come at a cost you get nothing for nothing in this life jim its quite simple you have to pay for a quality lawyer its the only way you will have a chance

skull
we have been told by you and jim 1000s of times that victory is due and then ooooops there is a wee set back but victory is due.

but after the last court date in may (if i rem right) we were told that the lawyer asked for more time to get his case ready (correct me if iam wrong) to slam dunk CEC and then we find out he was a total toss pot and screwed it up at the 11th hour.

dont you think it would have been a better idea to have made sure the guy who was taking your hard earned cash was any good after all there will come a point where this whole thing has to come to a end and i would hate to see that due to poor planing. better to go down fighting knowing you have done your best rather than due to a stupid error

if jim can post a link to a web site that shows this guy to be a fool that makes the whole shooting match a joke and in turn the people who are fighting it

if i was going to court over anything i would make sure the guy up front was worth every penny i was paying him.

Yeah, if in doubt blame a lack of money and not a sh*te case :roll:

Author:	jasbar [ Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:05 pm ]
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Once again the council have been asked about information they have in respect of demand assessment. Once again they are refusing to divulge same. Once again they're breaching every rule of accountable democracy, the right to freedom of information, and every tenet of supposed open government. That's why I refer to them as being fascist. because what they do is what you'd expect from a banana republic, what was seen in fascist central Europe prior to the War that was waged to end such political dictatorship. With Halcrow currently undergoing their survey, this is acknowledgement that no such reliable information about demand levels exists. In such a vacuum the time is ripe to apply for a taxi operator's licence. It's a £1205 punt. But a fair bet, and much cheaper than paying up to £50,000 (prices fluctuate) for a licence you can never own. Halcrow come back with no significant unmet demand? Easily challengeable given their previous survey and what's happened in the economy since. And, after 7 years, with all the transport infrastructure owned by the council competing against us, doesn't it seem certain that the council is "cooking the books"? And, if they come back with a sufficient demand to disburse the IPL, then its open season on applications, all of which would have to be considered on a legally equal footing. And, such applications made now, will not be heard or legally spent until Halcrow has reported. A punt now, and we're all first in line (after the existing applications of course). We're going to keep this council in court for ever. And, if my latest initiative pays off, we may just have discovered the way to keep it all very cheap to do so. BTW I have to laugh at the haughty Mark Mohammed, the council solicitor. Apart from the fact that if he were a good practitioner he would be working in the private sector making shed loads of cash at some poor miscreants expense, I'm please he's looking for to our head to head. Indeed, while Dougie will be leading the council's defence, I may just cite Mr Mohammed as a witness, along with Gill Lindsay. As they are council employees they can't possibly claim client confidentiality. And they would have to tell the truth about the way the council has conducted itself. And we know the way to ensure they do. Anyway ....

Author:	stationloon [ Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:51 am ]
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i think edinburgh cooncil should follow others and if you want to be a taxi driver, put you tx or e7 or whatever they license on the road with a "free plate" and off you go! At the end of the day "the strong will survive" and weed out the lazy gits!

Author:	chipper [ Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:21 pm ]
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so you lost another round

Author:	captain cab [ Thu Oct 16, 2008 5:39 pm ]
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chipper wrote: so you lost another round PMSL CC

Author:	jasbar [ Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:17 am ]
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chipper wrote: so you lost another round Lost "another" round? Perhaps. But it's the final round that is important. Unfortunately, because we're playing a game in an arena the council can afford to engage in, whereas the average scrote can't, we're having to learn on the hoof. And there is no way that we could predict that lawyers would actively work to torpedo a client's case. However, on we go. The cases continue. After a decision is made whether to appeal the current one, then there are still 6 more cases to go, along with the forthcoming new applications. And, time is on our side now.

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Author:	chipper [ Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:38 pm ]
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jasbar wrote: chipper wrote: so you lost another round Lost "another" round? Perhaps. But it's the final round that is important. Unfortunately, because we're playing a game in an arena the council can afford to engage in, whereas the average scrote can't, we're having to learn on the hoof. And there is no way that we could predict that lawyers would actively work to torpedo a client's case. However, on we go. The cases continue. After a decision is made whether to appeal the current one, then there are still 6 more cases to go, along with the forthcoming new applications. And, time is on our side now. me thinks you dont have a clue jim you have said on "fasties" that you lawyer torpedoed your case then post a link showing him to be a plonker dont you think it would have been a good idea to look at this web site b4 using this boy and going to court where you and your gang are made to look fools while the whole of the trade who you have been telling the day of doom is coming start wetting themselfs if your still having to learn on the "hoof" after how long??? you should just give up you should be ready and have researched everything that might come your way and that includes which lawyer you have http://www.sacl.info/rogues.htm (look for John Taylor) quote - In 2005 John Taylor was found guilty of serious professional misconduct. His offences included multiple breaches of strict solicitors' accounts rules, which are in place to protect clients. Taylor knowingly disregarded these rules and his misconduct was so serious that he even debited clients for fees without rendering fee notes. In effect, he treated his clients’ cash as his own. Crooked Taylor narrowly avoided being struck off; was fined £5000 and made the subject of a 5-year 'practising restriction'. In theory, he is supposed to be supervised by partners at MacLachlan and MacKenzie, the law firm where he now works. The senior partners there are fully aware of his shady past - but for their own selfish reasons have chosen to conceal this from current and prospective clients. iam not trying to take the p1ss jim but its starting to sound a bit like like a broken record mate or was it the good old kids story "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" winning will come at a cost you get nothing for nothing in this life jim its quite simple you have to pay for a quality lawyer its the only way you will have a chance

Author:	jasbar [ Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:32 pm ]
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Er, I think we've just proved that the last thing we need is a "good" lawyer. I reckon the term "good lawyer" is a contradiction in therms. Lawyers are not about winning cases. They're about harvesting shed loads of cash. When someone can look you in the eye and state that they are "a winner", then torpedo your case, how can you believe in the integrity of the "profession"? The learning curve may be a long one, but who cares. You still seem to be under some illusion that this is solely about licences. The longer we can keep this pot boiling the better it is for us. I'm in no particular hurry. Even now the cretins in the trade are telling us that Halcrow will likely come back with a managed increase in plate numbers. Which shows how little they understand about the process. Unfortunately for them, the method of delivering an increase in plates is nothing to do with the strict terms of the Act. Halcrow is required to determine primarily whether there is increased demand or nor not. And that is what will be challenged if necessary. I suspect that Halcrow are more professional, more independant than Jacobs were. I suggest it is no accident that jacobs didn't tender for this contract. I suggest that they have served their purpose and their out is that they are not involved and times are different, market conditions are different now. Isn't it likely that the next time the council wants a no significant increase in demand result, they will be pulled in to deliver it? Isn't that what they do? Naw, things in the garden are barry No complaints from this side. I just laugh at the way CEC breaches every tenet of decency in the way it conducts itself. It makes the whole political process a sham. It proves democratic accountability doesn't exist. It proves the ineffectiveness of elected officials. It proves that council's are really run by unelected bureaucrats.

Author:	captain cab [ Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:54 pm ]
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jasbar wrote: You still seem to be under some illusion that this is solely about licences. No we're all under the impression its about you getting something for nothing then selling it......again. CC

Author:	captain cab [ Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:23 pm ]
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and I suppose your getting pretty close to being vexatious now CC

Author:	Skull [ Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:30 pm ]
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captain cab wrote: jasbar wrote: You still seem to be under some illusion that this is solely about licences. No we're all under the impression its about you getting something for nothing then selling it......again. CC God, you are a fool sometimes CC, "something for nothing"? Better "something for nothing" when that something has no intrinsic value, don't you think?

Author:	Skull [ Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:47 pm ]
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chipper wrote: jasbar wrote: chipper wrote: so you lost another round Lost "another" round? Perhaps. But it's the final round that is important. Unfortunately, because we're playing a game in an arena the council can afford to engage in, whereas the average scrote can't, we're having to learn on the hoof. And there is no way that we could predict that lawyers would actively work to torpedo a client's case. However, on we go. The cases continue. After a decision is made whether to appeal the current one, then there are still 6 more cases to go, along with the forthcoming new applications. And, time is on our side now. me thinks you dont have a clue jim you have said on "fasties" that you lawyer torpedoed your case then post a link showing him to be a plonker dont you think it would have been a good idea to look at this web site b4 using this boy and going to court where you and your gang are made to look fools while the whole of the trade who you have been telling the day of doom is coming start wetting themselfs if your still having to learn on the "hoof" after how long??? you should just give up you should be ready and have researched everything that might come your way and that includes which lawyer you have http://www.sacl.info/rogues.htm (look for John Taylor) quote - In 2005 John Taylor was found guilty of serious professional misconduct. His offences included multiple breaches of strict solicitors' accounts rules, which are in place to protect clients. Taylor knowingly disregarded these rules and his misconduct was so serious that he even debited clients for fees without rendering fee notes. In effect, he treated his clients’ cash as his own. Crooked Taylor narrowly avoided being struck off; was fined £5000 and made the subject of a 5-year 'practising restriction'. In theory, he is supposed to be supervised by partners at MacLachlan and MacKenzie, the law firm where he now works. The senior partners there are fully aware of his shady past - but for their own selfish reasons have chosen to conceal this from current and prospective clients. iam not trying to take the p1ss jim but its starting to sound a bit like like a broken record mate or was it the good old kids story "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" winning will come at a cost you get nothing for nothing in this life jim its quite simple you have to pay for a quality lawyer its the only way you will have a chance Chipper, I'm not trying to take the pis* but it sounds like you've succumbed to group think. When did you pass your brief Chip? Or when are you due to sit the test? The legal profession, in this country, don't fight cases on your behalf they merely process the case. They get paid whether they win or lose. It makes no difference to them. The more Clients, the more cases, the more money they make. Clients are commodities to be crunched through a commercial system for financial gain - End of. If you happen to get Justice, (as you see it) you can take it form me, you got lucky.

Author:	chipper [ Sat Oct 18, 2008 6:01 am ]
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skull we have been told by you and jim 1000s of times that victory is due and then ooooops there is a wee set back but victory is due. but after the last court date in may (if i rem right) we were told that the lawyer asked for more time to get his case ready (correct me if iam wrong) to slam dunk CEC and then we find out he was a total toss pot and screwed it up at the 11th hour. dont you think it would have been a better idea to have made sure the guy who was taking your hard earned cash was any good after all there will come a point where this whole thing has to come to a end and i would hate to see that due to poor planing. better to go down fighting knowing you have done your best rather than due to a stupid error if jim can post a link to a web site that shows this guy to be a fool that makes the whole shooting match a joke and in turn the people who are fighting it if i was going to court over anything i would make sure the guy up front was worth every penny i was paying him.

Author:	Skull [ Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:09 pm ]
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chipper wrote: skull we have been told by you and jim 1000s of times that victory is due and then ooooops there is a wee set back but victory is due. but after the last court date in may (if i rem right) we were told that the lawyer asked for more time to get his case ready (correct me if iam wrong) to slam dunk CEC and then we find out he was a total toss pot and screwed it up at the 11th hour. dont you think it would have been a better idea to have made sure the guy who was taking your hard earned cash was any good after all there will come a point where this whole thing has to come to a end and i would hate to see that due to poor planing. better to go down fighting knowing you have done your best rather than due to a stupid error if jim can post a link to a web site that shows this guy to be a fool that makes the whole shooting match a joke and in turn the people who are fighting it if i was going to court over anything i would make sure the guy up front was worth every penny i was paying him. Chipper, in an ideal world what you say makes sense but it's not an ideal world - far from it. The Justice system in this country is based on commercial market norms. The more money you have the greater your chance of success. You then buy Justice. It's as much a commodity as anything else. The legal profession are nothing but revenue agents that work for the state. (the bastar*s even police themselves - no accountability) What's the state I here you say? It's a business, like any other business. Don't think this has anything to do with right or wrong, honesty or Justice - it's about money. Lawyers don't want to fight your case they want to process it. Then leave it up to the judge to decide. The difficulty is getting your lawyer to fight for it- research and preparation costs money. It's much easier to pick a few key point and let the Judge decide.

Author:	captain cab [ Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:12 pm ]
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Yeah, if in doubt blame a lack of money and not a sh*te case CC

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Author:	Skull [ Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:38 pm ]
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captain cab wrote: Yeah, if in doubt blame a lack of money and not a sh*te case CC Oh and you would know right enough . . . dafty. It's not about the lack of money either. It's about getting the most for your money. Lawyers want to fight the case in such a way as to maximise their profit, even if it does nothing for your chances of wining.