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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 9:18 pm 
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cabby john wrote:
Oh, we don't like that result........we want another vote [-X [-X [-X


a bit like the SNP ?

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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 10:33 pm 
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cabby john wrote:
Why is everybody getting hung up about manifesto's - lies get told at (every) election. This election imo is a far more important than our usual pantomine, as such the electorate should be concentrating on tactical voting to get us out of the EU - fight the usual home lies at a later date.

The only party to get us out of the EU apart from Ukip (who cannot deliver) our Brexit, is the Conservatives. They are also the only party, (many of their own also voted out), who recognise more importantly democracy, there are far too many want to ignore that aspect.



If you have and hold true to your beliefs no sane person will participate in tactical voting,and your view on using this that the usual home lies can be fought at a later date would just ensure another extended period of severe struggle to make ends meet for the population.
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 6:12 am 
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at least the tories are honest - they want to scr*w the elderly and infirm - sell their houses and make them pay for services they've paid for their entire lives.

Interesting. Under the current rules people have to sell their houses to pay for their care whilst still alive and they can keep around £23,000. Under the new proposals they don't have to sell their homes until after they have died and they can pass on £100,000.
Isn't that a step in the right direction? Doesn't it also mean that if someone has to go into a care home that their own home could be rented out by the family until the person has passed away?
In my opinion the biggest scandal in the care industry is the obnoxious fees charged by private company's for people to stay in care homes, around £1,000 per week around here and then they pay the staff minimum wage or lower.

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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 9:46 am 
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grandad wrote:
captain cab wrote:
at least the tories are honest - they want to scr*w the elderly and infirm - sell their houses and make them pay for services they've paid for their entire lives.

Interesting. Under the current rules people have to sell their houses to pay for their care whilst still alive and they can keep around £23,000. Under the new proposals they don't have to sell their homes until after they have died and they can pass on £100,000.
Isn't that a step in the right direction? Doesn't it also mean that if someone has to go into a care home that their own home could be rented out by the family until the person has passed away?
In my opinion the biggest scandal in the care industry is the obnoxious fees charged by private company's for people to stay in care homes, around £1,000 per week around here and then they pay the staff minimum wage or lower.



Is that not what the conservatives are all about,charge high prices to line the shareholders pockets and pay the generators of wealth(workers) starvation wages.


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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 10:09 am 
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Is that not what the conservatives are all about,charge high prices to line the shareholders pockets and pay the generators of wealth(workers) starvation wages.

There are many Labour controlled Councils who are selling off or closing their care homes. My personal belief is that the Councils should have to provide these facilities and social care should be a priority for those who need it. i don't believe that it should be free for all people though. I think that the care element should be free but the accommodation, heating and food should be paid for by the person as they would have to pay for this if they were well enough to look after themselves. Of course normal safeguards should remain in place for those who need help paying for the basics.

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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 11:05 am 
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grandad wrote:
heathcote wrote:


Is that not what the conservatives are all about,charge high prices to line the shareholders pockets and pay the generators of wealth(workers) starvation wages.

There are many Labour controlled Councils who are selling off or closing their care homes. My personal belief is that the Councils should have to provide these facilities and social care should be a priority for those who need it. i don't believe that it should be free for all people though. I think that the care element should be free but the accommodation, heating and food should be paid for by the person as they would have to pay for this if they were well enough to look after themselves. Of course normal safeguards should remain in place for those who need help paying for the basics.



It is not only Labour controlled Councils who have closed residential homes but other Councils controlled by Tories and Liberals have done the same,Normally the reasoning is they cannot bring them up to the required standard (buildings) due to the savage cuts that have been made in the last 7 years.


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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 12:20 pm 
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heathcote wrote:
grandad wrote:
heathcote wrote:


Is that not what the conservatives are all about,charge high prices to line the shareholders pockets and pay the generators of wealth(workers) starvation wages.

There are many Labour controlled Councils who are selling off or closing their care homes. My personal belief is that the Councils should have to provide these facilities and social care should be a priority for those who need it. i don't believe that it should be free for all people though. I think that the care element should be free but the accommodation, heating and food should be paid for by the person as they would have to pay for this if they were well enough to look after themselves. Of course normal safeguards should remain in place for those who need help paying for the basics.



It is not only Labour controlled Councils who have closed residential homes but other Councils controlled by Tories and Liberals have done the same,Normally the reasoning is they cannot bring them up to the required standard (buildings) due to the savage cuts that have been made in the last 7 years.

I know other Councils are closing them I was pointing out that it wasn't a Tory thing.

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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 1:29 pm 
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heathcote wrote:
cabby john wrote:
Why is everybody getting hung up about manifesto's - lies get told at (every) election. This election imo is a far more important than our usual pantomine, as such the electorate should be concentrating on tactical voting to get us out of the EU - fight the usual home lies at a later date.

The only party to get us out of the EU apart from Ukip (who cannot deliver) our Brexit, is the Conservatives. They are also the only party, (many of their own also voted out), who recognise more importantly democracy, there are far too many want to ignore that aspect.



If you have and hold true to your beliefs no sane person will participate in tactical voting,and your view on using this that the usual home lies can be fought at a later date would just ensure another extended period of severe struggle to make ends meet for the population.
Do not forget the only difference between Conservatism and communism is the capital C. They are both a form of dictatorship.

The only party to take this country forward is a socialist Labour party.


The big difference between myself and others are that I am not blind enough to vote for a party just because I voted for them in the past. You question my sanity re tactical voting, and yet you are prepared to take a short term view/apparent gain by voting labour (maybe 5 years), against a long term loss of staying in the EU (forever). #-o To cap that Corbyn has on numerous ocassions been proven to be a double header ie originally for donkeys years he wanted out of the EU - until it came to a vote (nah, changed his mind), he was not going to tug the forelock to the Queen (nah, changed his mind on that one). To top that you cannot trust him with defending the country, (he is going to talk our enemies to death :roll: ), his side kick D.A. makes outrageous comments re racism, she also needs to go back to school re basic maths + most of his own cabinet do not want him.........and you want to vote for that pile of garbage #-o

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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 4:48 pm 
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cabby john wrote:
heathcote wrote:
cabby john wrote:
Why is everybody getting hung up about manifesto's - lies get told at (every) election. This election imo is a far more important than our usual pantomine, as such the electorate should be concentrating on tactical voting to get us out of the EU - fight the usual home lies at a later date.

The only party to get us out of the EU apart from Ukip (who cannot deliver) our Brexit, is the Conservatives. They are also the only party, (many of their own also voted out), who recognise more importantly democracy, there are far too many want to ignore that aspect.



If you have and hold true to your beliefs no sane person will participate in tactical voting,and your view on using this that the usual home lies can be fought at a later date would just ensure another extended period of severe struggle to make ends meet for the population.
Do not forget the only difference between Conservatism and communism is the capital C. They are both a form of dictatorship.

The only party to take this country forward is a socialist Labour party.


The big difference between myself and others are that I am not blind enough to vote for a party just because I voted for them in the past. You question my sanity re tactical voting, and yet you are prepared to take a short term view/apparent gain by voting labour (maybe 5 years), against a long term loss of staying in the EU (forever). #-o To cap that Corbyn has on numerous ocassions been proven to be a double header ie originally for donkeys years he wanted out of the EU - until it came to a vote (nah, changed his mind), he was not going to tug the forelock to the Queen (nah, changed his mind on that one). To top that you cannot trust him with defending the country, (he is going to talk our enemies to death :roll: ), his side kick D.A. makes outrageous comments re racism, she also needs to go back to school re basic maths + most of his own cabinet do not want him.........and you want to vote for that pile of garbage #-o


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