Skull wrote:
Gusmac, there are parts of Afghanistan, India and Pakistan, which are almost completely lawless. No one knows who the feck is going in and out over their borders. And that's before we even start talking about Syria, Lebanon and other places in the middle east. Oh and I think you will find that turning their Islamic "brothers" away, is not what being a good Muslim is all about. It would go against their beliefs.
Can you imagine the uproar by the Islamic brotherhood, if they tried to pull a stunt like that? Quite honestly, I don't think they would risk it.
My suggestion is about using their extremist Islamic beliefs against them. Let's send them back to where they belong.
Oh and Gus, how do you think these extremists get into these place to become trained terrorists in the first place? And trust me on this, if they decided to stay in Afghanistan or Pakistan, no one would notice. The mistake is letting them back into this country.
Okay, you think my proposal is simplistic and unworkable. I've answered it by giving you the reasons why it could work. And I don't think deportation is a problem as long as our government is prepared to opt out of HR, charter, on this issue. And they can do it, if extremism is considered to be a serious threat to state security. Basically, Cameron is playing politics with peoples lives when this situation needs drastic measures to get it under some sort of control. These fundamentalists look at this as a War to bring about an Islamic state and Cameron has to wake-up to the fact, or the bodies will continue to pile up at an alarming rate.
What next?
You seem to have gone from deporting them to the country of their choosing to dumping them wherever you can get away with it
Now I don't doubt that it could be done, provided you are prepared act in a draconian fashion. I think that would set a dangerous precedent.
Let's face it, there are more people than just Islamic hate preachers who represent a danger to the British state.
I want to dismantle the British state, so I'd be on the list.
Some of your views could be seen as subversive. We might end up on the same rendition flight
Even if you could round up every one of these people and dump them off in the wilds of Pakistan or Afghanistan, unless you unplug the UK from the internet, ban all travel in or out of the country, cut off all foreign phone connections and block all satellite communications, these people and their message of hate will still get through.
Throwing them out and just hauling up the drawbridge won't work.
This is where the UK is almost unique. We live on an Island surrounded by water, and whatever we decide to have in this country is down to us. I really do think we need to ship the extremists out and pull up the drawbridge.
As for the Internet, it’s about monitoring the hate sites to see who's watching but backing it up with the promise of deportation, if this is your viewing material of choice. I think we need a zero tolerance approach to extremism, with severe consequence for anyone involved in spreading its poison.
And I think this is the key point, you would find that, very quickly, the Muslims who wanted to remain in this country would take a serious interest, in what their family members were getting up to on the Internet or down at the local Mosque.
Have a look at the video. I think it’s a pretty fair representation of Islamic Jihad regardless of your views on how foreign policy has made matters worse.
And I am more than happy for anyone to have their religious beliefs even though, I think they are off their heads. It's their call, and I really don’t give a shi* one way or the other, but this jihadist nonsense has to stop.
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