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 Post subject: Re: EU Trade
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 9:57 am 
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Capitalism has no direct bearing on production, nor does it affect the cheapness of goods


Are you havin a laugh? #-o


Of course he is, even bloodnock's not that thick. :lol:


I love you Guys...your so funny! :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: EU Trade
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 12:49 pm 
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You guys are all wanting to make money, yet you do not embrace capitalist ideals. so just what are you if you seek profit through self employment if not a Capitalist.


Surviving. 8) Someone who has a place to live and food to eat. The alternative is what? Ponce off the state while living in a cardboard box?
I do what I have to to survive in this capitalist society - although your goddess famously said there was no such thing as society. What I don't do is convince myself that there is no better way or that I am in any way part of the ruling elite who hold all the cards and have done for centuries.

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Here's the Definition of Capitalism:

An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.


That is one definition and it's not the only one. I prefer this one
Capitalism is a mode of socio-economic organization in which a class of entrepeneurs and entrepeneurial institutions provide the capital with which businesses produce goods and services and employ workers. In return the capitalist extracts profits from the goods created. Capitalism is frequently seen as the embodiment of the market economy, and hence may result in the optimum distribution of scarce resources, with a resulting improvement for all; this optimism is countered by pointing to the opportunity for exploitation inherent in the system.

You should read more. :wink:


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You are just Kidding yourselves if you think your anything else other than a Capitalist living in a Capitalist society.

Your Certainly not Communists and your hardly Economic democrats. Even if your an employee you are stilling selling yourself or your skill for a profit.


If I am a capitalist, then I'm a reluctant one. I do what I have to in a society which is not of my making nor to my liking.
That doesn't mean I can't try to change it, but I'm certainly not going to cut off my nose just to spite my face.

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 Post subject: Re: EU Trade
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 1:06 pm 
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bloodnock wrote:
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Capitalism has no direct bearing on production, nor does it affect the cheapness of goods


Are you havin a laugh? #-o


What affects the Cheapness of goods is due more to the buyer than the seller...the seller would obviously like as much profit as is possible, but then they are only at the mercy of what the buyer thinks those goods are actually worth, hence it's the free Market which dictates cheapness not the capitalist ideal.


Wrong. Maximising of profit is the core mantra of capitalism.

If it's cheaper to produce something elsewhere and ship it here, than to make it here, that is what capitalists do.
If employing immigrants on pi$$ poor wages is cheaper than paying the going rate for the job, that is also what capitalists do.
It doesn't make the cost to the buyer any less, it just boosts the profit margin for the seller.
Goods become cheaper when the buyer has competition and has to lower prices to maintain sales.
The consumer will generally pay the cheapest price on offer. They really don't have an option if it's something they need or want badly enough.

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 Post subject: Re: EU Trade
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 2:26 pm 
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If it's cheaper to produce something elsewhere and ship it here, than to make it here, that is what capitalists do.
If employing immigrants on pi$$ poor wages is cheaper than paying the going rate for the job, that is also what capitalists do.
It doesn't make the cost to the buyer any less, it just boosts the profit margin for the seller.
Goods become cheaper when the buyer has competition and has to lower prices to maintain sales.
The consumer will generally pay the cheapest price on offer. They really don't have an option if it's something they need or want badly enough.


Maybe if we had fewer Shirkers and Malingerers in Britain to feed and keep In Diamond white cider then we too could become more competitive in the pricing of our products.


face up to it Gus, we are latent Capitalists at heart.


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 Post subject: Re: EU Trade
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 6:34 pm 
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Wee Eck wants an Independent Scotalnd to be part of the EU and the EU wont let him Join...... :roll:


Now who has said Scotland can't join? #-o



Why not if Scotland adopts the Euro as well then that solves any arguments about keeping the pound !

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 Post subject: Re: EU Trade
PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 6:52 pm 
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Maybe if we had fewer Shirkers and Malingerers in Britain to feed and keep In Diamond white cider then we too could become more competitive in the pricing of our products.


That's the Daily Mail talking, and you're swallow it hook line and sinker.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 09394.html

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 Post subject: Re: EU Trade
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Wee Eck wants an Independent Scotalnd to be part of the EU and the EU wont let him Join...... :roll:


Now who has said Scotland can't join? #-o



Why not if Scotland adopts the Euro as well then that solves any arguments about keeping the pound !


The pound is ours as much as it's yours. #-o There is no argument.

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The pound is ours as much as it's yours. #-o There is no argument.


Not according to my mrs - apparently my pound is hers.

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 Post subject: Re: EU Trade
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The pound is ours as much as it's yours. #-o There is no argument.


Not according to my mrs - apparently my pound is hers.


And no doubt hers is also hers :lol:

Sounds like Scotland and London's financial arrangement.

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 Post subject: Re: EU Trade
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gusmac wrote:
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Maybe if we had fewer Shirkers and Malingerers in Britain to feed and keep In Diamond white cider then we too could become more competitive in the pricing of our products.


That's the Daily Mail talking, and you're swallow it hook line and sinker.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 09394.html



Trust the Mail Gus...you know it makes sense. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: EU Trade
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gusmac wrote:

The pound is ours as much as it's yours. #-o There is no argument.

It is the British pound. If you ain't in Britain, it ain't yours!

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grandad wrote:
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The pound is ours as much as it's yours. #-o There is no argument.

It is the British pound. If you ain't in Britain, it ain't yours!



Here's the History of Sterling..if anyone can be arsed to read it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1399693/A-history-of-sterling.html


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 Post subject: Re: EU Trade
PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 2:22 am 
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The pound is ours as much as it's yours. #-o There is no argument.

It is the British pound. If you ain't in Britain, it ain't yours!

I'd have expected a pedant like you to know, there is no country called Britain. It's a geographic island, the northern part of which we will continue to inhabit. 8)

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 Post subject: Re: EU Trade
PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 8:36 am 
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gusmac wrote:
I'd have expected a pedant like you to know, there is no country called Britain. It's a geographic island, the northern part of which we will continue to inhabit. 8)

You already have your own bank notes so just call them the Scottish pound. Lets face it they are not legal tender in England anyway. They are not legal tender even in Scotland. Why, when you want independence, would you still want to be linked to OUR currency? Get that wall built back up and don't leave any gaps. I can live without whisky and haggis.
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