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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:40 pm 
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Looks like they'll need a bigger trough.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22742327

2 Labour Peers and an UUP Peer up to the same.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:57 pm 
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Looks like they'll need a bigger trough.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22742327

2 Labour Peers and an UUP Peer up to the same.


They're all at it bloodnock. These will be the tip of the iceberg.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:20 pm 
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Skull, poor sods like Lee Rigby have been coming home in body bags for years from places like Afghanistan. Mostly without the British public even noticing, let alone giving a sh*t. They barely rate a mention in the papers, let alone the news. It's different for those of us with family in the forces. We do notice, and we do care.
Britain meanwhile keeps voting in the same scumbags who started all this and keep it going.
Half the armchair heroes of Britain are in a frenzy because of what? A vile murder happened on the streets of London. Truth is, if this had happened in Helmund province, nobody would have heard about it.
Now you want to daemonise an entire religion for the actions of a handful of people. That's going to cause a lot more trouble than it will ever solve.
Where does it stop? Should we all go round to our local curry house and string up the staff??? What about that shifty looking bloke in the paper shop??? My Doctor is a muslim, should we kill him too?
What about the postie? He looks like a muslim but I'm not actually sure?? Should we ask him first or just string him up to be on the safe side?

You opposed British and American foreign policy. So did most of us but that didn't matter a feck, and it still doesn't. Young lads just like Lee will continue coming home in body bags until this country stops interfering in wars that have nothing to do with us.
Declaring war on our neighbours is not going to achieve anything, except maybe create more radicals and more deaths on our streets.
Is that really what you want?


What happens in other countries as a decision of British and American Government foreign policy is little to do with your average man on the streets of the UK. As I have said many times before, it’s people like you Gusmac, that voted the political class and their wealthy elites into power.

Now as for soldiers being killed in Afghanistan, there is little one can do about that either, but in this country. It's a different matter. And I don’t know of anyone who wants to see radical Islam killing our soldiers on the streets of the UK, and unlike you Gusmac, believe that this is the acceptable face of Islam in the UK.

Now if Muslims want to stay in this country, they should be made to swear allegiance to the British flag and before that of their faith, and if this is unacceptable they are put on the next boat out and the same goes for radical Islamic clerics or their sympathisers.

Oh and Gusmac, if you are still confused about where your allegiances lie, then maybe you should join them?

Now once again, I give you chance to answer my questions.

So, tell me Gusmac, how man young soldiers hacked to death on our streets, is the acceptable price for tolerating Islam in this country? Where do we draw the line?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:56 pm 
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Still trying to work out how is it you can hold every muslim accountable for what is done in their name, yet you don't hold every one of us - including yourself - accountable for what is done in our name? :?

Now, I have no doubt you can twist what I say to suit your argument Skull. But let me make this plain.

I don't find what happened to Lee Rigby acceptable in any way, shape or form. Those responsible should be held to account and be subject to the full weight of the law.
I also do not find depriving 5% of the population of their rights acceptable either. Two wrongs do not make a right.


So is it only muslims that you want swearing allegiance to the Union flag or is it everyone?
Do we all have to get down on our knees and swear loyalty to her Britannic Majesty as well?
Sing the national anthem?

Believe me, It'll be a cold day in hell when I do any of those.

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[u][b]So, tell me Gusmac, how man young soldiers hacked to death on our streets, is the acceptable price for tolerating Islam in this country? Where do we draw the line?


If you think I'm going to respond to such a loaded and emotive question, you are even more insane than I thought.
Save it for your new found friends Skull. http://englishdefenceleague.org/ They'll lap up your rhetoric.

I'm done here.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:23 pm 
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Still trying to work out how is it you can hold every muslim accountable for what is done in their name, yet you don't hold every one of us - including yourself - accountable for what is done in our name?

No. I hold people like you responsible for what is done in our name because it was pricks like you, that voted for these ars*hole in the first place.

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I don't find what happened to Lee Rigby acceptable in any way, shape or form. Those responsible should be held to account and be subject to the full weight of the law.
I also do not find depriving 5% of the population of their rights acceptable either. Two wrongs do not make a right.


And what about Lee Rigy’s rights and the rights of these young soldiers that radical Islam will kill on the streets of the UK, in the future? #-o Oh I know, that doesn't matter to you now does it Gusmac? #-o

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So is it only muslims that you want swearing allegiance to the Union flag or is it everyone?
Everyone who wants to remain in this country should swear an oath and not to the queen but to the flag. Their religion should come second.

Do we all have to get down on our knees and swear loyalty to her Britannic Majesty as well?
Sing the national anthem?

Believe me, It'll be a cold day in hell when I do any of those.


Well, that about sums, you up Gusmac, and we all know where your sympathies lie, and that's with the murdering scum that killed Lee Rigby. And yes, everyone should sign an oath of allegiance to this country.

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If you think I'm going to respond to such a loaded and emotive question, you are even more insane than I thought.

Save it for your new found friends Skull. http://englishdefenceleague.org/ They'll lap up your rhetoric.


You won't answer because you are a lowlife apologist, desperate to have an opinion, and I mean any opinion.

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I'm done here.


You’re not done but you should be, and it’s because of people like you the bodies are going to keep piling up.

So much for protecting people's rights. #-o

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Oh and Gusmac, if attacks like the one on Lee Rigby continue to happen in the future, you are going to find yourself very much in the minority and possibly on the same boat. :-|

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:03 am 
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What happens in other countries as a decision of British and American Government foreign policy is little to do with your average man on the streets of the UK. As I have said many times before, it’s people like you Gusmac, that voted the political class and their wealthy elites into power.

Now as for soldiers being killed in Afghanistan, there is little one can do about that either, but in this country. It's a different matter. And I don’t know of anyone who wants to see radical Islam killing our soldiers on the streets of the UK, and unlike you Gusmac, believe that this is the acceptable face of Islam in the UK.

Now if Muslims want to stay in this country, they should be made to swear allegiance to the British flag and before that of their faith, and if this is unacceptable they are put on the next boat out and the same goes for radical Islamic clerics or their sympathisers.

Oh and Gusmac, if you are still confused about where your allegiances lie, then maybe you should join them?

Now once again, I give you chance to answer my questions.

So, tell me Gusmac, how man young soldiers hacked to death on our streets, is the acceptable price for tolerating Islam in this country? Where do we draw the line?



That entire post is absolute b*llocks.

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What happens in other countries as a decision of British and American Government foreign policy is little to do with your average man on the streets of the UK. As I have said many times before, it’s people like you Gusmac, that voted the political class and their wealthy elites into power.


British policy in Northern Ireland had very little to do with the people on the mainland - yet the IRA targeted British civilians.

People can affect change via the ballot box and through direct action.

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Now as for soldiers being killed in Afghanistan, there is little one can do about that either, but in this country. It's a different matter. And I don’t know of anyone who wants to see radical Islam killing our soldiers on the streets of the UK, and unlike you Gusmac, believe that this is the acceptable face of Islam in the UK.


I think there's an awful lot we can do about our Soldiers being killed, maimed and wounded in Afghanistan - I'm surprised a man of your intellect hasn't thought of it - its called getting our troops out of there. I don't think you can say its a different matter either - because the sh*tbag that murdered our soldier in Woolwich did actually say it was because of British Government policy that he committed the murder. Or do you think he was lying? Perhaps he just got out of the wrong side of bed that morning and thought he'd make that kind of comment to passing civilians?

You mention radical Islam - yet you don't seem to recall the atrocities carried out in this country by the IRA - they came to the conclusion that one action on the mainland was worth several in Belfast or Londonderry. Whether people like it or not - that was the only thing that made the British Government change policy.

Yet when Islamists do it - we show shock and horror. The simple fact is that everyday hundreds of people in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan are murdered by either one side or the other - we've become immune to it - when its reported its a 10 second segment of the news - that's if its reported at all. The impression given is the life of a British subject is newsworthy - but the lives of hundreds of people with brown skins is not.

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Now if Muslims want to stay in this country, they should be made to swear allegiance to the British flag and before that of their faith, and if this is unacceptable they are put on the next boat out and the same goes for radical Islamic clerics or their sympathisers.


What if these Muslims were born in this country?

The question hasn't actually been answered properly by anyone.

As for swearing allegiance - what possible difference will that make - there's MP's in Parliament who 'cross their fingers' when it comes to the oath. I did swear the oath of allegiance btw.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:11 am 
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Oh and Gusmac, if attacks like the one on Lee Rigby continue to happen in the future, you are going to find yourself very much in the minority and possibly on the same boat. :-|


Then I'll be on the same boat as Gusmac - to be honest, if the country ever gets to the point where you appear to want it to go to - I'll pay my own fare - because what you cite is fascism - the State deciding what is good and what is bad.

In many respects your entire argument in contradictory - you want selective intolerance.

The English and Scots are quite good at intolerance - we were world leaders in it. Those Highlanders of the 1700's were terrible people - sheep were far cheaper and more profitable - so the Highlands were cleared and cheap labour went across the Empire.

Those Irish were just so lazy - and that potato famine was just bad luck - so Ireland was cleared (although some would describe it as economic genocide) and the British got a workforce that worked at low rates due to starvation being the alternative.

In the past few years its been cheap East European labour - because of course - the British working class (now that we cant invade anywhere closer) are just all benefit cheats who watch Jeremy Kyle all day.

Those Jews crucified Jesus - so the English banned them - after robbing them obviously.

And what would you know - those pesky Muslim countries sit on top of lots of oil - so we prop up corrupt regimes that kowtow to our wishes - if they don't follow the line we create revolutions or invade - that's how the world works.

I am really surprised you are falling for all this cr*p Gary.

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Capt your quote "The IRA targeted civilians" no they didnt ever

Police, Royal scum, armed forces, politicians, all legitimate targets never civilians.

Plenty of bombs planted by MI6 and the like warnings ignored deliberately all part of the dirty war, which is why many opposed the bombing campaign!

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Capt your quote "The IRA targeted civilians" no they didnt ever

Police, Royal scum, armed forces, politicians, all legitimate targets never civilians.

Plenty of bombs planted by MI6 and the like warnings ignored deliberately all part of the dirty war, which is why many opposed the bombing campaign!


Warrington - not military
Birmingham - not military
Guildford - not military
Netherlands - 1990 - not military
Heidi Hazell, Dortmund - not military

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All carried out by MI6 on behalf of the von Windsors :D :D

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All carried out by MI6 on behalf of the von Windsors :D :D



obviously :lol:

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All carried out by MI6 on behalf of the von Windsors :D :D



obviously :lol:


Yes isnt it maybe you should read malcolm X :?: :?: :?: 8) 8) 8)

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Yes isnt it maybe you should read malcolm X :?: :?: :?: 8) 8) 8)


Maybe if the IRA wouldn't go around claiming responsibility?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:22 am 
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It all depends which IRA were taliking about Provisional,Real.Im sure many people see it all the same,killing is killing,they saw it as a legitimate war.Maybe if they were brought up in a catholic town ,with no jobs,constant harrasment from British forces ect,theyd feel different.Getting back to original topic,we need to root out the ones that preach this hate.Whether it be muslim,edl,bnp whats the difference ? As for swearing a allegiance ,count me out


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