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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:03 pm 
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And how many DIE in the meantime.like how many would you find acceptable and would it include YOU :?: :?:[/quote]

I never find unnecessary death acceptable regardless of how many, unfortunately sometimes they are a necessary evil to wake a nation up......... would that include my own? I'm not special so why should I be spared at somebody elses expense, I'd much rather it didn't come to any of this tho[/quote][/quote]

We dont need martyrs these ben too many over the years

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:07 pm 
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The problem we are faced with now is people think of £££££'s before they think of saving lives :sad:



but as jimbo says - you don't take people to the hospital free of charge - so why should a soldier not pay to get a bullet hole fixed?



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:11 pm 
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How do we save the NHS


You stop voting for right wing scrotes. Simples :D

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:37 pm 
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How do we save the NHS

1) make it mandatory for all NHS trusts to be run by a seasoned healthcare proffessional such as a matron, Consultant etc with some less highly paid clipboard Johnnys to carry out the basic administration
2) Abolish national Insurance and replace it with an Income tax "surcharge" which pays for a compulsory health insurance scheme with unemployed, benefits scroungers, pensioners etc all credited with their contributions
3) Convert some of the hospitals into specialist centres dealing with a particular aspect of healthcare where you can concentrate specialists in that field such hospitals could then tackle long waiting lists for certain types of operations as they could operate almost on a production line basis
4) Create a fundraising organisation which would concentrate on procuring large scale donations to pay for new buildings and hospitals instead of running up huge debts as happens now

There you go TT an answer to your question but not one you like because it doesn't use communist ideology :lol:

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How do we save the NHS

1) make it mandatory for all NHS trusts to be run by a seasoned healthcare proffessional such as a matron, Consultant etc with some less highly paid clipboard Johnnys to carry out the basic administration
2) Abolish national Insurance and replace it with an Income tax "surcharge" which pays for a compulsory health insurance scheme with unemployed, benefits scroungers, pensioners etc all credited with their contributions
3) Convert some of the hospitals into specialist centres dealing with a particular aspect of healthcare where you can concentrate specialists in that field such hospitals could then tackle long waiting lists for certain types of operations as they could operate almost on a production line basis
4) Create a fundraising organisation which would concentrate on procuring large scale donations to pay for new buildings and hospitals instead of running up huge debts as happens now

There you go TT an answer to your question but not one you like because it doesn't use communist ideology :lol:


1) From this you seem to want a nurse who's been there for a few years to be responsible for finance that's like the ticket collector on a train being responsible for the running of the railway - tbh I think the nurse should be there to help the sick.

2) So we replace one tax with errm another tax? So who gets to tell the sick when their credits have run out? Do we get to put them in the gutter?

3) You mean like the regional heart hospitals they're currently closing?

4) You mean you don't think the government can afford to give interest free loans - or do you think the PFI schemes created by both tory and labour administrations were just put in place to ensure the contributors to the party benefitted?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:09 pm 
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4) You mean you don't think the government can afford to give interest free loans - or do you think the PFI schemes created by both tory and labour administrations were just put in place to ensure the contributors to the party benefitted?


If its paid for by public subscription there is no interest on a massive debt and 100% of the hospitals funds can actually pay for healthcare

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If its paid for by public subscription there is no interest on a massive debt and 100% of the hospitals funds can actually pay for healthcare


I'm sorry but I think that's in the realms of fantasy.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:38 pm 
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edders23 wrote:
How do we save the NHS

1) make it mandatory for all NHS trusts to be run by a seasoned healthcare proffessional such as a matron, Consultant etc with some less highly paid clipboard Johnnys to carry out the basic administration
2) Abolish national Insurance and replace it with an Income tax "surcharge" which pays for a compulsory health insurance scheme with unemployed, benefits scroungers, pensioners etc all credited with their contributions
3) Convert some of the hospitals into specialist centres dealing with a particular aspect of healthcare where you can concentrate specialists in that field such hospitals could then tackle long waiting lists for certain types of operations as they could operate almost on a production line basis
4) Create a fundraising organisation which would concentrate on procuring large scale donations to pay for new buildings and hospitals instead of running up huge debts as happens now

There you go TT an answer to your question but not one you like because it doesn't use communist ideology :lol:


I don't mean to be rude, as I'm sure TT will do that anyway, but the above seems more like how to run the NHS rather than save it from being sold off by the Tories :?

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toots wrote:
edders23 wrote:
How do we save the NHS

1) make it mandatory for all NHS trusts to be run by a seasoned healthcare proffessional such as a matron, Consultant etc with some less highly paid clipboard Johnnys to carry out the basic administration
2) Abolish national Insurance and replace it with an Income tax "surcharge" which pays for a compulsory health insurance scheme with unemployed, benefits scroungers, pensioners etc all credited with their contributions
3) Convert some of the hospitals into specialist centres dealing with a particular aspect of healthcare where you can concentrate specialists in that field such hospitals could then tackle long waiting lists for certain types of operations as they could operate almost on a production line basis
4) Create a fundraising organisation which would concentrate on procuring large scale donations to pay for new buildings and hospitals instead of running up huge debts as happens now

There you go TT an answer to your question but not one you like because it doesn't use communist ideology :lol:


I don't mean to be rude, as I'm sure TT will do that anyway, but the above seems more like how to run the NHS rather than save it from being sold off by the Tories :?


Well its not really TOOTS just the blatherings of a gormless nutter [he must have been in the mob :D ] bang on toots the issue is how do we stop the fekking tory vermin scum selling off the NHS ..........................its easy GENERAL STRIKE .............NOW =D> =D> =D>

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:52 pm 
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Perhaps you should have stopped New Labour privatising it?

Labour renews NHS privatisation effort


Health unions and campaigners have condemned a new attempt by the government to privatise NHS bodies responsible for a £64 billion budget.

Two weeks ago, the department of health was forced to withdraw an advert in the official journal of the European Union inviting businesses to run primary care trusts (PCTs).

PCTs commission and provide basic health services.

When the plan was exposed, the department claimed that there had been “drafting errors”.

Health secretary Patricia Hewitt said there was “no question whatsoever of privatising the NHS”.

This week, the advert was back. Redrafted in media-friendly language, the central thrust - privatisation on a huge scale - remains intact.

The new advert still provides for outsourcing of NHS commissioning, potentially placing the huge budget for PCTs in the hands of private companies.

Geoff Martin from the campaign group Health Emergency told Socialist Worker, “The key thing is that, despite all the rhetoric from Patricia Hewitt, this is still an attempt to bring in corporations that will bleed the NHS dry.”

He added that companies such as United Health Europe, part of the US firm United Healthcare, which has been invited to take over running GP services by North East Derbyshire PCT, would benefit from the proposals.

“The president of United Health Europe is Simon Stevens, Tony Blair’s former health advisor,” he said. “It seems, as usual, that the trail leads right back to Downing Street.

“A situation has been created where there are restrictions on finance while private corporations are bleeding money away from the NHS.

“While they profit, groups of workers are being thrown out of their jobs.”

Hospitals and PCTs across the country are already announcing sweeping job losses and service cuts as the cost of the market drains resources away from the health service.

The latest group to be affected are physiotherapists.

The Chartered Society of Physiotherapy has revealed that nine out of ten graduate physiotherapists do not yet have a job to go to.

Members of the society protested outside parliament in central London on Tuesday of this week (see Physiotherapists' Westminster protest).


http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=9286

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:00 am 
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Perhaps you should have stopped New Labour privatising it?

Labour renews NHS privatisation effort


Health unions and campaigners have condemned a new attempt by the government to privatise NHS bodies responsible for a £64 billion budget.

Two weeks ago, the department of health was forced to withdraw an advert in the official journal of the European Union inviting businesses to run primary care trusts (PCTs).

PCTs commission and provide basic health services.

When the plan was exposed, the department claimed that there had been “drafting errors”.

Health secretary Patricia Hewitt said there was “no question whatsoever of privatising the NHS”.

This week, the advert was back. Redrafted in media-friendly language, the central thrust - privatisation on a huge scale - remains intact.

The new advert still provides for outsourcing of NHS commissioning, potentially placing the huge budget for PCTs in the hands of private companies.

Geoff Martin from the campaign group Health Emergency told Socialist Worker, “The key thing is that, despite all the rhetoric from Patricia Hewitt, this is still an attempt to bring in corporations that will bleed the NHS dry.”

He added that companies such as United Health Europe, part of the US firm United Healthcare, which has been invited to take over running GP services by North East Derbyshire PCT, would benefit from the proposals.

“The president of United Health Europe is Simon Stevens, Tony Blair’s former health advisor,” he said. “It seems, as usual, that the trail leads right back to Downing Street.

“A situation has been created where there are restrictions on finance while private corporations are bleeding money away from the NHS.

“While they profit, groups of workers are being thrown out of their jobs.”

Hospitals and PCTs across the country are already announcing sweeping job losses and service cuts as the cost of the market drains resources away from the health service.

The latest group to be affected are physiotherapists.

The Chartered Society of Physiotherapy has revealed that nine out of ten graduate physiotherapists do not yet have a job to go to.

Members of the society protested outside parliament in central London on Tuesday of this week (see Physiotherapists' Westminster protest).


http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=9286


Believe ME I tried and I'm still on the case................maybe you noticed :?: :?:

whats your contribution yokel ..............oh i know DO NOTHING :lol: :lol: :lol: :badgrin: :badgrin:

GENERAL STRIKE NOW =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> SAVE THE NHS =D> =D> =D>

Which is the policy of the Socialist workers Party whose quote you use above.......... great minds :D :D think alike :D :D

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I don't believe that the media will encourage a general strike, but, I do believe that you'd need them to at least get it out there that it's a consideration that people could use if they aren't happy with the way the government are governing the country

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I don't believe that the media will encourage a general strike, but, I do believe that you'd need them to at least get it out there that it's a consideration that people could use if they aren't happy with the way the government are governing the country


The media is merely a propaganda medium for the establishment it peddles lies and innacuracies coupled with diversionary issues as John Pilger so clearly outlines on another thread, i worked in it for 35 years and its not what they print its what they DONT thats interesting. :evil:

when did you ever see articles such as Mr Pilgers, not likely to be in Scum or the Daily **** is it or the torygraph, and as for the BBC or ITV your having a giraffe :badgrin:

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Davies describes a general ethos at the Mail which is endemically racist, and stories are heavily reflective of a stereotype that depicts blacks as “bad”. A quotation from a senior journalist at the Mail highlights what is a consistent theme at the paper:

“He said: They phoned me early one morning and told me to drive about three hundred miles to cover a murder. It was a woman and her two children who’d been killed. I got an hour and a half into the journey, and the news desk called me on my mobile and said, ‘Come back.’ I said, ‘Why’s that?’ They said, ‘They’re black.’“ (Davies, p371)

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http://www.flatearthnews.net/

Davies describes a general ethos at the Mail which is endemically racist, and stories are heavily reflective of a stereotype that depicts blacks as “bad”. A quotation from a senior journalist at the Mail highlights what is a consistent theme at the paper:

“He said: They phoned me early one morning and told me to drive about three hundred miles to cover a murder. It was a woman and her two children who’d been killed. I got an hour and a half into the journey, and the news desk called me on my mobile and said, ‘Come back.’ I said, ‘Why’s that?’ They said, ‘They’re black.’“ (Davies, p371)

Its the jeremy kyle of newspapers,feckin hate the thing.


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