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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:05 pm 
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As it has been mentioned that should the no vote win the yes side will then try for another referendum in a few years time. However what if the yes vote wins? will the no side get the opportunity to have another referendum in a few years time?


Sure. :D

They just have to elect a Scottish government willing to hold such a referendum.

Then they need to win it.
After that, they need to secure the agreement of the former UK to a new union. :shock:

It shouldn't take more than 300 years or so..... 8)

So when you lose this referendum it may take a couple of hundred years or so for the next one. Because when Salmond looses this referendum his days as a leader will be well and truly numbered. =D> =D> =D>


Independence isn't about Salmond. It's an aspiration which has been around since long before he was born, it won't go away with his resignation and it will still be here long after he's gone. Win or lose.
That is what you completely fail to grasp.

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That is what you completely fail to grasp.

And you fail to grasp that you are in a minority and you will always be that way.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:11 pm 
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That is what you completely fail to grasp.

And you fail to grasp that you are in a minority and you will always be that way.


Like you would know :lol:

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And you fail to grasp that you are in a minority and you will always be that way.


you'll find that out in just over a month :wink:

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I just wonder how do all these other countries manage to get on with life, but we Scots have to be in this peculiar position of effectively having no vote and an incredible rumpus at the prospect of us being given one. Though I am not a fan of EU many other Scottish people will be extremely angry if they are forced out of EU against their wishes by a 2017 UK referendum - that's just one more example of them not being allowed to have a say.


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I just wonder how do all these other countries manage to get on with life, but we Scots have to be in this peculiar position of effectively having no vote and an incredible rumpus at the prospect of us being given one. Though I am not a fan of EU many other Scottish people will be extremely angry if they are forced out of EU against their wishes by a 2017 UK referendum - that's just one more example of them not being allowed to have a say.


It isn't really an example though is it - EU election turnout in Scotland doesn't suggest the country is any different to the rest of the UK - indeed in recent elections voter turnout has been worse in Scotland than the rest of the UK.

As for being forced out of the EU - well if its a close referendum vote next month - I imagine many Scots will be extremely angry about being forced out of the UK (or to remain part of the UK).

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One thing is certain though, whatever the outcome of the Yes/No vote - a great many Scots are very disgruntled with the UK. Under Blair and Brown we had a relatively benign regime, but those days are now over. What the future holds in store with a succession of Tory coalitions to look forward to is a great concern, and we have just begun to see what they are capable of with their bedroom tax, welfare reforms and proposals for slave labour for the unemployed. Its back to Maggie Thatcher days, and we thought that was all over. It isn't.


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One thing is certain though, whatever the outcome of the Yes/No vote - a great many Scots are very disgruntled with the UK. Under Blair and Brown we had a relatively benign regime, but those days are now over. What the future holds in store with a succession of Tory coalitions to look forward to is a great concern, and we have just begun to see what they are capable of with their bedroom tax, welfare reforms and proposals for slave labour for the unemployed. Its back to Maggie Thatcher days, and we thought that was all over. It isn't.


I'd rather endure the Tories than Salmond, the Guys an utter control freak.


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I would urge all Yes supporters here to remember to display a Yes sticker on their taxis to show their support, and remind the general public to make the right decision for Scotland's future - remember this will affect our children and our grandchildren. To pass up this great opportunity would be a collosal mistake, and a gigantic step backwards. The Union has never been good for Scotland and its time is now over.

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It's not going happen, Alex has been found out as full of wind - his version of Scottish independence seems to involve telling everyone else (eu, uk, nato) what to do, rather than just deciding what Scotland will do.


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It's not going happen, Alex has been found out as full of wind - his version of Scottish independence seems to involve telling everyone else (eu, uk, nato) what to do, rather than just deciding what Scotland will do.


Isnt that what people want Mr Cameron to do and why they're voting UKIP?

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One thing is certain though, whatever the outcome of the Yes/No vote - a great many Scots are very disgruntled with the UK. Under Blair and Brown we had a relatively benign regime, but those days are now over. What the future holds in store with a succession of Tory coalitions to look forward to is a great concern, and we have just begun to see what they are capable of with their bedroom tax, welfare reforms and proposals for slave labour for the unemployed. Its back to Maggie Thatcher days, and we thought that was all over. It isn't.


I don't know if you can remember the years under new labour - but the gap between rich and poor increased far more then than during Thatcher's period in charge.

Benign under new labour? Are you having a laugh? How many illegal wars did the UK enter?

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You really don't get it down south of the border (and some up here), do you? the MSM have made it all about Salmond and the SNP, whereas most accept that it's so much more. There's a major grassroots movement out there that far out weighs anything the governments of Scotland or the UK can muster, or indeed corral. The people of Scotland have woken up to the fact that politics is so much more than party allegiance, it's about the people and what they want to see happen to their country. It's becoming more and more apparent it bears no resemblance to what the mandarins of Westminster think we want or need, nor is it wholly what Wee Eck at al are proposing. We are different. Of that there's no doubt. How different will only be determined at the polling stations on 18th Sept. I only hope we are brave enough to grasp the opportunity to show the rest of the world we're ready to join them as equals. Saor Alba.

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You really don't get it down south of the border (and some up here),


And you don't get it that the majority up here do get it but just don't want it and it will become obvious within a few weeks that we don't want it, now will you can get it that we don't want it just because you want it but will never get it..got IT?,


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I only hope we are brave enough to grasp the opportunity to show the rest of the world we're ready to join them as equals.


I have always felt Equal to all, I reckon some folk of a Yes persuasion have a chip on their shoulder brought about through an overly active inferiority complex that makes them imagine that they will never be equal until their is no one left to be equal to in their tiny political national bubble.

Scots have been leading the world for centuries, something they would never could have managed without the springboard that a United Kingdom offers.

To further Isolate ourselves just to feel more equal is not going to increase our standing on the world stage. #-o


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I only hope we are brave enough to grasp the opportunity to show the rest of the world we're ready to join them as equals.


I have always felt Equal to all, I reckon some folk of a Yes persuasion have a chip on their shoulder brought about through an overly active inferiority complex that makes them imagine that they will never be equal until their is no one left to be equal to in their tiny political national bubble.

Scots have been leading the world for centuries, something they would never could have managed without the springboard that a United Kingdom offers.

To further Isolate ourselves just to feel more equal is not going to increase our standing on the world stage. #-o


Putting the equality issue to one side.....you have to ask yourself - Do you think that Scotland/the Scottish people would have a better life style if they were/had been free of outside interference.....for example on mainland U.K the English,Scottish and the Welsh have seen most resources/money ploughed into London, as such the rest of the nation E/S/W seems to be almost permanently in (as the government puts it ) a recession or as I put it (this is way we live), and that my friend is that we are a lot less affluent than our fifth country London.

Also take this on board if you would "The National Debt" - that should be a MASSIVE worry above all else......that is the one thing that could change the lives of you and your family forever seriously downwards. I would grab this opportunity with both hands - not because I want to be free or away from English people, I have many as friends, but to get away from Westminster corruption. No matter which party get in - it is about them and what they can do for themselves and their friends - they know the National Debt can NEVER be paid off and that is why 26 consecutive governments have not tried/failed.

The message loud and clear - I do not want you to go! but.....GET OUT WHILST YOU CAN or YOU WILL LIVE TO REGRET IT.

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