Skull wrote:
CC, writes:
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You're argument seems to be based around race - the lives of brown people are worth less than white - especially those white folks who get killed in the UK.
My argument has absolutely nothing to do with race. I never even mentioned race, quite honestly CC, because you lack an adequate response, you are going down the same route of using innuendo as an argument like Gusmac.
I did say "seems" - and I notice you were not too vociferous before the events in Woolwich.
Skull wrote:
The Troubles had a political solution, and eventually an agreement was found. Oh and it might not suit everyone, but I don’t see anyone blowing themselves up because their religious book or some omnipotent being in the sky told them to do it. Oh and need I mention the 40 virgins?
And once again: the simple truth is CC, and I have said this many times before, you cannot debate with someone of religious faith because they do not require a shred of evidence for what they believe, and that's what makes the fanatics of these faiths so dangerous. Everything they do is revealed to them by God, through some Cleric or their reading and interpretation of some Bronze Age book.
You don't need mention 40 virgins and whatever else - you don't even need mention that the prophet married Aisha who was a child bride nor the age the marriage was consummated.
This has little to do with religion and everyone knows that - It has everything to do with foreign policy and Muslims waking up to the fact they've been sh*fted for centuries are are broadly led by pawns of western governments.
Skull wrote:
I did not say the war with the IRA wasn’t fanatical but it always had a political solution. And once again you are taking my post out of context for the sake of innuendo. And yes, blowing up the twin towers is what brought radical Islam to the UK. However, I get back to my main point. There is no political solution when dealing with religious fundamentalists who are not seeking a political solution. There is quite simply, no one to speak to as they are following the word of God, as set out in "his" book.
Everybody's worried about stopping terrorism. Well, there's a really easy way: stop participating in it.
Noam Chomsky
Chomsky is of course correct and I agree with every word but once again, where is the political solution when dealing with religious fanaticism?
As I said - why don't we give it a try - stop participating.
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I don't recall mentioning anything about how to stop it - I basically said your post was racist and bordering on fascism.
Skull wrote:
I never said, you mentioned anything about how to stop it, I simply asked the question which you, like Gusmac, have failed to answer.
I answered above - stop participating - stop interfering in other countries affairs - stop supplying arms to either side.
Skull wrote:
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I certainly don't think they are attacking the UK because their God told them to - I think they are attacking the UK because people in this country pay more attention to a horrible murder on the Streets of London than the murder of hundreds in Iraq, Afghan and Pakistan. That's how it is.
As for how we stop it? Stop participating in it may just be worth a try.
Don’t talk utter [edited by admin]! Why don’t you ask the Hindus about radical Islam and what about the Danish cartoons or the fatwa taken out against Salmon Rushdie because he dared to criticise the Koran through his book the Satanic verses? Radical Islam is only new to the UK since 9/11 but it’s been alive and kicking in many parts around the world for centuries.
Participating in terrorism out of some political ideal, is one thing, but killing people because your God says so, is something totally different.
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I am very aware about radical Islam and of the sad story of Hirsi Ali - who was of course herself a radical Muslim before becoming westernised - it was mentioned at length in an excellent book by Nick Cohen - as was the plight of Rushdie and another chap from India who was similarly ostracised by Hindu's (his name escapes me but he was an artist) and Sherry Jones who wrote The Jewel of Medina.
I am also aware that this country regularly burned Catholics amongst other blasphemers.
However, you seem to be suggesting that the West is so free we must make things harsher so we can be free.
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