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 Post subject: Re: Election results
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 7:12 pm 
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Artur and molshy wrote:
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Labour will get another South of England friendly Red Tory. They won't learn anything from this defeat. :sad:



I agree Gusmac. They've already tried to blame the Scots for having the cheek to vote for SNP!

Labours mantra needs to change. This caring for the less fortunate in society they bang on about is total bullsh*t.


Ever since Tony Blair and Clause 4, socialism has been a dirty word in The Labour Party. The closest most of the current lot got to socialist was shagging one at uni :lol:

They can't or won't see the problem because they ARE the problem. #-o

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 Post subject: Re: Election results
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 8:13 pm 
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As for UNITE the union demanding the resignation of the Scottish Labour leader - they were instrumental in getting Ed Miliband as national leader - and look how that worked out.

And also responsible for the bucket load of anti union legislation that's on the way.

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 Post subject: Re: Election results
PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 8:20 pm 
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56 new Scottish MP's in Westminster.

Here's a pic of the Stranger's Bar at 6.30pm

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 Post subject: Re: Election results
PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 10:52 am 
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The big issue now is the Next Leader of Labour Party me i would go for John Mcdonnell dont reckon he will get on the ballot paper so for me its Andy Burnham =D>



Andy Burnham would be a disaster. You'd be better trying to poach Nicola Sturgeon :D


A disaster? we can only choose from whats available ..........................Nicola oh YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS please =D>

Not all labour are bad i keep saying it look at the LRC site Labour Representation Committe site.

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 Post subject: Re: Election results
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A disaster? we can only choose from whats available ..........................Nicola oh YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS please =D>

Not all labour are bad i keep saying it look at the LRC site Labour Representation Committe site.



Glad to have you back Trotsky! Getting worried you drowned in a sea of blue :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Election results
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trotskys twin wrote:
Artur and molshy wrote:
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The big issue now is the Next Leader of Labour Party me i would go for John Mcdonnell dont reckon he will get on the ballot paper so for me its Andy Burnham =D>



Andy Burnham would be a disaster. You'd be better trying to poach Nicola Sturgeon :D


A disaster? we can only choose from whats available ..........................Nicola oh YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS please =D>

Not all labour are bad i keep saying it look at the LRC site Labour Representation Committe site.


There is only room for one Conservative party! Labour lost its way big time after being infiltrated with rich buggers who had Conservative values, and are now paying the price after failed Conservatives took over the party i.e Bliar.

Labour (traditionally politicians who were not rich by Conservative standards) and the Trade Union movement who represented the working man stood by and watched industry members jobs taken abroad, the obvious being....no jobs = no members. The point being is that Trade union membership (traditionally Labour ) was around 12 million in the 1980's, by 2012 it was around half of that figure! So to put it into perspective, what would a potential 6 million extra votes have done for Labour ?.........massive own goals all round from where I am standing.

The Labour party betrayed the working man, as demonstrated by Scotland, quite frankly I see no way back. As mentioned they are full of the rich - with a conservative mindset!

Election votes cast 2015.

Cons 11.334,520

Labour 9.347,326
SNP 1.454,436
Lib Dems 2.415,888
UKIP 3.881,129

Total 17.098,779 basically working class/down to earth people, voted against Conservative values/policies. Self serving politicians, and greed generally being the cause.

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 Post subject: Re: Election results
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There is only room for one Conservative party! Labour lost its way big time after being infiltrated with rich buggers who had Conservative values, and are now paying the price after failed Conservatives took over the party i.e Bliar.

Labour (traditionally politicians who were not rich by Conservative standards) and the Trade Union movement who represented the working man stood by and watched industry members jobs taken abroad, the obvious being....no jobs = no members. The point being is that Trade union membership (traditionally Labour ) was around 12 million in the 1980's, by 2012 it was around half of that figure! So to put it into perspective, what would a potential 6 million extra votes have done for Labour ?.........massive own goals all round from where I am standing.

The Labour party betrayed the working man, as demonstrated by Scotland, quite frankly I see no way back. As mentioned they are full of the rich - with a conservative mindset!

Election votes cast 2015.

Cons 11.334,520

Labour 9.347,326
SNP 1.454,436
Lib Dems 2.415,888
UKIP 3.881,129

Total 17.098,779 basically working class/down to earth people, voted against Conservative values/policies. Self serving politicians, and greed generally being the cause.


Labour leaned to far to the left under Milliband, hence the reason why they imploded.


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 Post subject: Re: Election results
PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 2:49 pm 
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56 new Scottish MP's in Westminster.

Here's a pic of the Stranger's Bar at 6.30pm


Isn't that the place after Eric Joyce left? :badgrin:

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Labour leaned to far to the left under Milliband, hence the reason why they imploded.


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That sort of thinking is exactly why the Labour party is finished.

They imploded after forgetting their own core voters and going after The Tory vote.

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 Post subject: Re: Election results
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gusmac wrote:
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Labour leaned to far to the left under Milliband, hence the reason why they imploded.


[-X [-X [-X

That sort of thinking is exactly why the Labour party is finished.

They imploded after forgetting their own core voters and going after The Tory vote.

Surely the reason they went after the Tory voters was because there were not enough of their own core voters to get elected.

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 Post subject: Re: Election results
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By the way...Congratulations =D>

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Surely the reason they went after the Tory voters was because there were not enough of their own core voters to get elected.


Stating the obvious they lost it in Scotland big time, the vote in general also filtered down through other parties that they in actual fact over the years had gone to the right. Labour had/has lost its compass on which the party had been built, it is there for all to see. No disrespect to yourself, but they are virtually a Conservative party under a different label.

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 Post subject: Re: Election results
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By the way...Congratulations =D>

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Surely the reason they went after the Tory voters was because there were not enough of their own core voters to get elected.


Stating the obvious they lost it in Scotland big time, the vote in general also filtered down through other parties that they in actual fact over the years had gone to the right. Labour had/has lost its compass on which the party had been built, it is there for all to see. No disrespect to yourself, but they are virtually a Conservative party under a different label.
Thank you.
I know that some will disagree but over the last 40 years or so most people have seen a rise in their lifestyle. Because of this they don't think of themselves as "working class" anymore. They see themselves as "middle class" and as such they don't feel the need for the far left, they have moved more to the centre politically. So we now have basically 3 parties trying to gain control of the political centre ground. The Tories are just right of centre and labour, under Blair moved to within a whisker of the same position and he won. So moving even the slightest bit back to the left may have suited the Labour ideologists but that was not what the voters wanted and Labour paid the price.

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 Post subject: Re: Election results
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By the way...Congratulations =D>

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Surely the reason they went after the Tory voters was because there were not enough of their own core voters to get elected.


Stating the obvious they lost it in Scotland big time, the vote in general also filtered down through other parties that they in actual fact over the years had gone to the right. Labour had/has lost its compass on which the party had been built, it is there for all to see. No disrespect to yourself, but they are virtually a Conservative party under a different label.
Thank you.
I know that some will disagree but over the last 40 years or so most people have seen a rise in their lifestyle. Because of this they don't think of themselves as "working class" anymore. They see themselves as "middle class" and as such they don't feel the need for the far left, they have moved more to the centre politically. So we now have basically 3 parties trying to gain control of the political centre ground. The Tories are just right of centre and labour, under Blair moved to within a whisker of the same position and he won. So moving even the slightest bit back to the left may have suited the Labour ideologists but that was not what the voters wanted and Labour paid the price.


I have to wonder why a Tory politician would want the Labour party to know where they have gone wrong #-o

The problem is simple, Labour are competing with 3 other parties for the right wing vote. The Left has just been ignored. Labour foolishly assumed their core vote would just drift along with them because they had no alternative.

In Scotland, the SNP hoovered up the traditional Labour vote - not by being Left wing - but more to the left than the other parties.

In large parts of England, Labour's disillusioned core vote has gone to UKIP and the Greens. The Lib Dem vote has gone to UKIP, Tories and the Greens

Meanwhile Labour are scrabbling around competing with Lib Dems, UKIP and Tories for the right wing vote.
If you want Tory policy, why would you vote for anyone else when you can have the real deal?

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 Post subject: Re: Election results
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has anyone checked how many votes the SNP got in the GE against the Yes/No vote for Independence?

hang on



GE = SNP 1,454,436

Referendum

Yes = 1,617,989
No = 2,001,926

So FEWER voted for the SNP than voted YES.....obviously the Sweaty Socks aint so daft after all

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has anyone checked how many votes the SNP got in the GE against the Yes/No vote for Independence?

hang on



GE = SNP 1,454,436

Referendum

Yes = 1,617,989
No = 2,001,926

So FEWER voted for the SNP than voted YES.....obviously the Sweaty Socks aint so daft after all


One day you'll make an intelligent contribution. I'll not hold my breath waiting though :badgrin:

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