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It is certainly true to say that American and British foreign policy has energised Islamic fundamentalists into taking up arms against, what they see, as western aggression, in their country. However, it is completely false to claim that the problem never existed before our intervention. Oh and you can forget about drawing comparisons with the Spanish Civil War or Afghanistan and the mujahedin, as no one was trying to create an Islamic State, in which only the Muslim faithful can live.

These brainwashed religious whackjobs want one thing, and that is to create an Islamic State. They want to live a theocracy with a religious leader, the Caliph, calling the shots in Allah's name under the Yoke Of Sharia Law, and that is it. There are no embracing western values or living along side the infidels in relative harmony because people who don't hold their extreme religious beliefs are the enemy and should be killed, as it is Allah's will.

Islam is by no stretch of the imagination a religion of peace. However, that is not to say that the vast majority of Muslims don't want to live in harmony with their fellow man but give this religion an inch, and these nut jobs will fight to turn your country into an Islamic State because they don't see it as, your country, it's their country in the name of Allah.

So my solution is, bar entry to any of these whackjobs trying to return to the UK and impose Extraordinary Rendition on those sympathisers who share the same ideology of religious control.

Let them have their Islamic State but not here in the UK.

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Ah pearls of wisdom from a Pikey........you need to get out of your caravan a bit more

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Sheep dip youve been roundly thrashed in this debate by CC and Skull ...........................i just rattled yer cage by defining you and yer ilks characterisations ie

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Anyway lets return to the issue today in london 2 Birmingham muslims have pleaded guilty to partaking in battles in Syria whether includes rapes or massacres is unclear ......but they came back maybe to start their malicious activities here.....................it will be interesting to see the full details ..........if the establishment ever publish them..............................also of note is the fact that a Muslim from Aberdeen of all places is getting some publicity for his activities in this campaign to convert the entire planet to orthodox Muslim practices BY FORCE.....................I think weve got a massive battle coming to our streets

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I certainly think that people are becoming more aware of the threat these Muslum fundamentalists pose to society. And while we have not done ourselves any favours by meddling in their affairs, the fact is, you cannot negotiate with people who believe they are fulfilling Allah's will of a global Caliphate.

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Oh I do like a smile, in fairness you give that to me in spades.

Listen up pikey - unlike you and others, I try to see the other side of an argument.

For instance the Germans tried to eradicate anyone that was a Jew - they killed millions. In that case it was NOT the German in the street who was doing the unthinkable - it was a faction within Germany i.e the Gestapo and other high ranking Officers doing the killing, so all Germans are not bad......Right?. Similar atrocities have happened with other countries i.e Bosnia/Yugoslavia etc, again similar to the German illustration, as such it does not mean that all the Nation are the same,just a faction.......right? - In my own back yard, we to a degree had the FWA, that tried to burn English holiday homes in Wales - trust me not many felt the same way. Similar has happened re Northern Ireland i.e British atrocities (you will be familiar with that analogy), again similar with India (more British atrocities)........does that make us all bad people?

With that in mind, what makes you think that all Muslims that return from their agenda of in some/many cases "Freedom Fighters", with the mindset of carnage in the U.K.

Of course there will be some who will come back with the mentality of carnage - that will have to be sorted out! Unfortunately neither you Skull or anyone else will have any say as to whether they can come back in, "Their Human rights will see to that".

As for Skull getting his information from the "Daily Mail" Or from "Selfies" on "You tube" then you really need to get a grip.

The bottom line is as said "The genie is out of the bottle"......but you will not be able to label all with the same ticket.

P.S. Pikey you need to get out of London whilst you can, go and buy a potato farm - do not say you were not warned.

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Cabby John writes:


No one is claiming that all Muslims are bad. It's all in your head.



And the above has absolutely nothing to do with radical Islam (ISIS) and what they are trying to achieve.



They are not "freedom fighters" because they are not fighting for freedom, their agenda is to create a Caliphate/Islamic State by killing those who do not share their beliefs.



Is this the same "Human Rights" they would deny you, in a heart beat, if you refused to swear a vow of allegiance to their God?


Really, so you just disregard what the leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and his followers are clearly stating in their address to the world, when calling on their Muslim brothers to fight a holy jihad against the infidel.



Oh get some new material please. This genie has never been in the bottle. They've been murdering each other in the name of Islam for hundreds of years.

John, you clearly have no idea, wtf you are talking about.

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Skull i agree with you ..........................we are confronted by religious nutters who by any means are determined to impose their will on us.................my only question is ...................HOW DO WE PREVENT THESE NUTTERS FROM CARRYING OUT THEIR INTENTIONS HERE .....................too complicated for SHEEP DIP

John i'm almost certain yer really that [edited by admin] KINNOCK.................maybe not yer not that BAD

The one thing i do agree with John is his implication that London is liable to get somewhat EXPLOSIVE SOON...........yeh walking human bombs..........but i aint moving

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Honestly Skull I wish you would stay in touch with yourself.



Annnd then you say..............



NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE BAD.......Right! that is what you said in print! Then you claim that "They are not freedom fighters" i.e NONE of them. Explain your two rantings, because there is no having the cake and eating it here. How does your ranting equate with " No one is claiming that all Muslims are bad"..........and you saying that none should be allowed back! (That has been what all of your posts have been saying), to be saying that you would have to know for definite that all have gone for the one cause (ISIS)- on that you cannot be sure.



The above is in reference to our illustrious leaders who have caused this terrible problem by allowing unprecedented access into this country. My own take on allowing so many in was - they are literally allowing an Army to walk into this country.

Yes I agree there will be problems allowing ISIS trained soldiers back into the country! But! you have to get your head around the fact that there will have been those who went for liberation purposes as not all have signed up to ISIS.

Get your head around the fact, that besides ISIS, there are other units/armies out there armed to the teeth not connected with them - and neither do they want to be, however there will be Muslims from all around the world fighting for what they believe in those alternative units. The point being is that they are NOT ALL religious nutters, many are extremely intelligent people who will see things differently - just like you do re religion in this country - You cannot (I will say it again) "Tar all with the same brush".......and neither will all have joined ISIS.

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HOI sheep dip this is the issue under discussion ..........................look carefully it says ......................."ISIS" got it complicated

Me i welcome members of the PLO made speeches supporting their aims .....................met em like em support emm

Sure there are many other Muslim groups ....................but i'm concerned about this "ISIS" mob who ARE absolutely manic .............beheading people with carving knives mass rapings mass executions ..... death to all infidels ffs ....................................their coming back from ACTION what do we do about it ????????????????

SKULL HAS OUTLINED THE ISIS PROBLEM SO HAVE I ........................YOU JUST PREVARICATE ....................YER A MUG

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Yep that is how the "Topic" started, unfortunately it did not stick to just ISIS......it got sidetracked by Skull (who is well known to his aversion to religion - not a problem with that as such). However it then became (anyone who has gone - cannot come back, they are ALL religious nutters blah blah blah!), you became part of that discussion. My point became that not all have gone to fight with ISIS, not all are religious nutters, you yourself joined into that debate.........so if you do not mind, and difficult as it may be for you........try to stay up to speed.

"SKULL HAS OUTLINED THE ISIS PROBLEM SO HAVE I ........................YOU JUST PREVARICATE ....................YER A MUG "

No, neither of you stuck to the ISIS problem......all got chucked into the same pot just because they left the country. In the eyes of Skull and yourself...they had gone nowhere else to fight - they had ALL joined ISIS. Neither one of you have a shred of proof that they had ALL gone to ISIS. You are such a D I C K you cannot keep up with your own post.

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Cabby John writes:



Are you being deliberately obtuse?

They are not "freedom fighters" because they are not fighting for freedom, their agenda is to create a Caliphate/Islamic State by killing those who do not share their beliefs.

The leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and his followers are clearly stating the above in their address to the world, when calling on their Muslim brothers to fight a holy jihad against the infidel.

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has been named Caliph, theocratic supreme leader and head of state of the self-proclaimed Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

If you sign up to fight for ISIS, you are fighting to create an Islamic State.You are not freeing yourself from some despot with the view of installing a democratic government. These people want to live in a theocracy and be led by their supreme religious leader the Caliph, who is second in command, only to Allah/God.

Are you starting to get the picture?

It doesn't get any more complicated than that John.

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Let me put it another way John. If you want to believe these religious whackjobs are freedom fighters, then I suggest you go live with them in their new Islamic State and see how long your freedom lasts, if you don't quickly convert to their brand of Islam.

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I'll tell you what I will do with you John. If you want to believe that any whackjob, fighting a religious cause, is some sort of freedom fighter, then I will agree with you on that point, if it makes you happy.

However, wanting to live under the rule of a supreme religious leader is not any kind of freedom that I recognise.

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If you for one moment took your head out of your ar$e you might see as to where I am coming from.

Now read this very slowly and try and take some of it in.

I do not disagree for one moment regarding ISIS.........did you read that??????

However there are recognised groups i.e (The opposition) Or (The Free Syrian Army) that both the American government along with our government were talking about Arming them with military weapons, as the Syrians were getting absolutely murdered as they stood, by bombs,snipers, and then gassed.

Go back to the first line of the above paragraph........"The Opposition & The Free Syrian Army" was f%ck all to do with religion Or extremism, it is about Assad who is probably as bad as Saddam Hussein.

You are probably correct (you do not really know & for that matter neither do I) that those who do join ISIS are out and out lunatics/religious nuts, and I agree that if possible they should never come back here. Having said that, those who join up to say the "Opposition Or The Free Syrian Army" are nothing like the extremists that you would like to portray.

It would seem that the "Spanish civil war" prior to discussion on here, has already been compared and will not be allowed due to some terrorism act passed in something like 2003 maybe 2006 (I am not too sure on that one).

The whole point being and there is plenty of political spiel to back it up, is...........you are totally wrong! It is NOT every whack-job as you put it joining up to ISIS. You have many people fighting to liberate Syria.... to get rid of Assad, remember him (He is a bad guy), also remember "The opposition" & The Free Syrian Army".

I am hoping against hope that you have not had your head up your ar$e all the time I have been writing this.

Oh and by the way.......the info is not from the "Daily Mail" Or "Selfies" - it is fact that has been on every news channel and in most credible Newspapers since it kicked off. The main fighting is against tyranny i.e Assad, as with Northern Ireland you will then get the criminal element jumping on board with their agenda.

Remember how this all kicked off? Iraq, Egypt, Syria.........it was FA to do with religion, so you the righteous one who has (apparently) never lost an argument on TDO....have just lost as badly as Brazil did to Germany.

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Cabby John writes, grudgingly.:



It took a while John but we got their in the end.


As for the rest of your irrelevant waffle.



However, and once again, if you sign up to fight for ISIS, you are fighting to create an Islamic State.You are not freeing yourself from some despot with the view of installing a democratic government. These people want to live in a theocracy and be led by their supreme religious leader the Caliph, who is second in command, only to Allah/God.

Oh and John, I've read all about the bad guy, Bashar al-Assad and those wanting to depose him, The free Syrian Army but ISIS is a whole different ball game. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and his merry band of fanatics are complete religious whackjobs, fighting for an extreme religious cause. There is no living with these people, and they do not want to live with you. Christ, they can't even agree on how to live with each other.

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