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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:25 pm 
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Just had reason to consider another reason why Scotland should NOT become independent.

And that is because it is NOT really one nation.

The Norse would claim the Northern islands, the Highlands is a wholly separate culture, the lowlanders don't get on with anyone and those in the West would dominate all the rest.

I wouldn't trust Scotland not to come under the grip of the institutions in the West. You only have to look at the political machinations of the men in grey suits in the SFA as a prime example.

I wouldn't trust those from the West as far as I could throw them, those in Dundee who are generally incompetent in everything they do, and those in Grampian who are so insular they can't even bring themselves to argue for the essential upgrade of the A9.

As for the Borderers? Best they stay there. They've been in the sidings for so long they no longer relate to anyone.

Scotland is a bit like Iraq, with its Sunni Muslims, Shia Muslims and the Kurds. It was only the yoke of Saddam Hussein that kept them from each others throats. The same could be said about the Balkans where Marshal Tito achieved the same. And Gaddaffi in Libya.

If history teaches us anything, you break up a country and you get the vested interest scavengers picking over the bones, each trying to get as much of the corpse as possible.

Dark days indeed.

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And Scotland bought the Western Isles from the King of Norway for 4000 marks in 1266 - do you think King Alexander got a receipt?

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And as if further proof were needed, the congregation of St George's Tron Churh in Aberdeen have decided to leave the Church of Scotland over the matter of Marriage equality.

You see, they don't believe in Equality.

And why would I, or anyone who does believe in Equality, possibly want to share a common independence with any of them.

It beggar's believe that any follower of Christ, who preached love and not homophobia would stoop so low.

And think of it. A guy in his early thirties, who doesn't have a wife, and who doesn't have any history of girlfriends, nor showing interest in having one, and surrounding himself with 12 male followers, what do you think the tabloids would make of this?

When Paul wrote to the Corinthians decrying homosexuality, he did so quoting not from Christ's teachings, but rehashing homophobia from the Old Testament, as if to bring it directly into Christianity. But it isn't Christ's Christianity.

Perhaps folks should get with the program. who is any longer interested in living Old Testament lives, or the puerile ramblings of a middle east warlord from the AD 600s?

These ancient religions should have no place in a modern society.

Or we'd still be poking eyes out because that's what the bible says we should be doing for so called justice.

Shouldn't Scots grow up before even thinking about independence? As far as I'm concerned the 300 poor souls in Aberdeen can remain just that. Because they are hypocrites.

When the hypocrisy has been dealt with, perhaps then we will have grown up enough to venture forth as one nation.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:03 pm 
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Jasbar wrote:
Just had reason to consider another reason why Scotland should NOT become independent.

And that is because it is NOT really one nation.

The Norse would claim the Northern islands, the Highlands is a wholly separate culture, the lowlanders don't get on with anyone and those in the West would dominate all the rest.

I wouldn't trust Scotland not to come under the grip of the institutions in the West. You only have to look at the political machinations of the men in grey suits in the SFA as a prime example.

I wouldn't trust those from the West as far as I could throw them, those in Dundee who are generally incompetent in everything they do, and those in Grampian who are so insular they can't even bring themselves to argue for the essential upgrade of the A9.

As for the Borderers? Best they stay there. They've been in the sidings for so long they no longer relate to anyone.

Scotland is a bit like Iraq, with its Sunni Muslims, Shia Muslims and the Kurds. It was only the yoke of Saddam Hussein that kept them from each others throats. The same could be said about the Balkans where Marshal Tito achieved the same. And Gaddaffi in Libya.

If history teaches us anything, you break up a country and you get the vested interest scavengers picking over the bones, each trying to get as much of the corpse as possible.

Dark days indeed.

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Yes it is surely much better to be ruled by our neighbours. A benevolent people who have no vested interests to serve and who want only the best for their North Britain neighbours.
We ungrateful Jocks should just accept that we are incapable of running our own country. Left to our own devices, we'll just start eating babies, rustling cattle and raping virgins, primitive scum that we are.

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And as if further proof were needed, the congregation of St George's Tron Churh in Aberdeen have decided to leave the Church of Scotland over the matter of Marriage equality.



Of course the rest of Britain is unanimous in it's support for gay marriage, isn't it Jim?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:52 pm 
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And as if further proof were needed, the congregation of St George's Tron Churh in Aberdeen have decided to leave the Church of Scotland over the matter of Marriage equality.



Of course the rest of Britain is unanimous in it's support for gay marriage, isn't it Jim?


perhaps you hadn't noticed but Parliament, the real one not the mickey mouse affair at Holyrood, has just voted by over two thirds to pass the Marriage Equality Bill. They're progressing while our religious lobby is working to keep us in the dark ages.

Fact is, few people care about denying same sex couples their right to marriage equality. But that's religion for you. We who don't necessarily want to be controlled by the human construct that is organised religion have to suffer at the hands of those who are living according to the values of thousands of years ago.

Independence would just enshrine this even further. The establishment would become even stronger. The average man would have even more diktat to control their miserable existence.

There are very few in Holyrood I would trust. Most of them are scurrilous control freaks working to their own agenda, and that of the system they would protect because it feeds their ego.

Truth is I live in mortal fear of independence under the current circumstances, because I suspect I know what Scotland would become.

You only have to look at the welsh nutter posing as the leader of the pack in Australia to understand how easily racism can rear its ugly head, as the gang protects its lot.

Thousands of Australians died in WWII fighting fascism, and all for nothing, given the latest racist rant from the Welsh one. I don't want the same to be said for those Scots who sacrificed their lives.

We should be embracing the Global world, not retreating into Salmond's own wee coven.

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And as if further proof were needed, the congregation of St George's Tron Churh in Aberdeen have decided to leave the Church of Scotland over the matter of Marriage equality.



Of course the rest of Britain is unanimous in it's support for gay marriage, isn't it Jim?


perhaps you hadn't noticed but Parliament, the real one not the mickey mouse affair at Holyrood, has just voted by over two thirds to pass the Marriage Equality Bill. They're progressing while our religious lobby is working to keep us in the dark ages.

Fact is, few people care about denying same sex couples their right to marriage equality. But that's religion for you. We who don't necessarily want to be controlled by the human construct that is organised religion have to suffer at the hands of those who are living according to the values of thousands of years ago.

Independence would just enshrine this even further. The establishment would become even stronger. The average man would have even more diktat to control their miserable existence.

There are very few in Holyrood I would trust. Most of them are scurrilous control freaks working to their own agenda, and that of the system they would protect because it feeds their ego.

Truth is I live in mortal fear of independence under the current circumstances, because I suspect I know what Scotland would become.

You only have to look at the welsh nutter posing as the leader of the pack in Australia to understand how easily racism can rear its ugly head, as the gang protects its lot.

Thousands of Australians died in WWII fighting fascism, and all for nothing, given the latest racist rant from the Welsh one. I don't want the same to be said for those Scots who sacrificed their lives.

We should be embracing the Global world, not retreating into Salmond's own wee coven.


You forgot to mention that half the Tory MPs (all bar one not elected by the Scots) opposed this. It also has to get through the unelected House of Lords. So much for democracy.

Also, you don't have to go as far as Australia.

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The UK has it's own bigoted idiots with no wish to embrace the Global world and wanting only to retreat behind their borders.

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again?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:21 pm 
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We'll probably start burning witches again as well. The practice died out under the union. :lol:

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"If you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin Castle, unless you set about the organisation of the socialist Republic your efforts would be in vain. England would still rule you. She would rule you through her capitalists, through her landlords, through her financiers, through the whole army of commercial and individual institutions she has planted in this country and watered with the tears of our mothers and the blood of our martyrs. (...) Nationalism without Socialism - without a reorganisation of society on the basis of a broader and more developed form of that common property which underlay the social structure of Ancient Erin - is only national recreancy." (Connolly, Socialism and Nationalism, p25)

In view of what Gary has written already, and in view of the above from over 100 years ago.......I think Gary has a very valid point.

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Rome wasn't built in a day :wink:

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captain cab wrote:
"If you remove the English army tomorrow and hoist the green flag over Dublin Castle, unless you set about the organisation of the socialist Republic your efforts would be in vain. England would still rule you. She would rule you through her capitalists, through her landlords, through her financiers, through the whole army of commercial and individual institutions she has planted in this country and watered with the tears of our mothers and the blood of our martyrs. (...) Nationalism without Socialism - without a reorganisation of society on the basis of a broader and more developed form of that common property which underlay the social structure of Ancient Erin - is only national recreancy." (Connolly, Socialism and Nationalism, p25)

In view of what Gary has written already, and in view of the above from over 100 years ago.......I think Gary has a very valid point.


I don't recall the Irish free state being set up as a socialist republic, nor do I remember one being adopted at any time later. Are you saying that Ireland is still run by the English?

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gusmac wrote:

I don't recall the Irish free state being set up as a socialist republic, nor do I remember one being adopted at any time later. Are you saying that Ireland is still run by the English?


Neither do I but I do recall a Civil War afterwards. That aside, Irish austerity measures were forced upon it by the EU & IMF, so to that degree policy is dictated by others from faraway lands.

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I don't recall the Irish free state being set up as a socialist republic, nor do I remember one being adopted at any time later. Are you saying that Ireland is still run by the English?


Neither do I but I do recall a Civil War afterwards. That aside, Irish austerity measures were forced upon it by the EU & IMF, so to that degree policy is dictated by others from faraway lands.


May as well say England is run by the Americans and Chinese then.......

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May as well say England is run by the Americans and Chinese then.......



you mean it isn't?

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May as well say England is run by the Americans and Chinese then.......



you mean it isn't?


I wouldn't know. :lol:

But if it is, I'd have to wonder what you pay all those politicians for?

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