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| Author: | captain cab [ Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | The Latest UKIP Propaganda |
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| Author: | Nidge2 [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Latest UKIP Propaganda |
We'll have to wait and see when the 1st of January approaches. If the influx does happen then we can say they were right. I'd save £60billion + a year not being in the EU. |
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| Author: | grandad [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Latest UKIP Propaganda |
Nidge2 wrote: I'd save £60billion + a year not being in the EU. Go on then Nidge, I'll bite. give us the breakdown of your £60 billion? |
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| Author: | Chris the Fish [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Latest UKIP Propaganda |
Nidge2 wrote: We'll have to wait and see when the 1st of January approaches. If the influx does happen then we can say they were right. I'd save £60billion + a year not being in the EU. Can I save £60 billion + per annum as well? If I can I know how I will vote if we ever actually get a referendum! |
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 9:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Latest UKIP Propaganda |
If it was a choice between (say) being pals with Bulgaria, Rumania and that end, and getting back into bed with Australia and New Zealand who would choose the eastern Europeans... we had a great system of trade with the ANZACS for years then we dumped them for the old communist states...whod have thunk it |
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| Author: | gusmac [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 10:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Latest UKIP Propaganda |
wannabeeahack wrote: If it was a choice between (say) being pals with Bulgaria, Rumania and that end, and getting back into bed with Australia and New Zealand who would choose the eastern Europeans... we had a great system of trade with the ANZACS for years then we dumped them for the old communist states...whod have thunk it Wasn't it your old pals in the Tory party who dumped them?  Why would the Aussies and New Zealanders give you the time of day now? It's not like they owe you a damn thing. 
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| Author: | bloodnock [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 1:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Latest UKIP Propaganda |
What Irony...Wee Eck and his Cohorts wanting to be in the EU and if he ever gets independence (which he wont) the spaniards wont let him In...on the other hand if he (god forbid) got independence and attempted to creep into Europe through piggy backing on the UK's membership it would take an EU treaty change to allow him to do so, and that would by law trigger a UK referendum on whether or not to stay in the hideous EU. So..Either way Wee Eck will never get to sup off the EU table as he'll never get the chance to, but in the process he'll trigger a referendum. I think Id vote for him just to get us out of the EU and do our English Neighbours a favour by gifting them an EU referendum. Funny old world...Aint it
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| Author: | gusmac [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Latest UKIP Propaganda |
What a load of crap. Sad thing is, you probably believe it
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| Author: | gusmac [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Latest UKIP Propaganda |
'Useless' Alistair Darling could lose fight against Scottish independence, Tories warn as panicked ministers turn to Gordon Brown Senior Conservatives have warned they could lose the independence referendum in Scotland because its campaign chief Alistair Darling is ‘useless’ and ‘comatose’. Momentum is even building up behind getting Gordon Brown to return to frontline politics to lead the campaign. There are fears that the Better Together campaign has no ‘fire in its belly’ and could end up being outfoxed by Alex Salmond’s nationalists. Senior Conservatives have warned they could lose the independence referendum in Scotland because its campaign chief Alistair Darling is 'useless' and 'comatose' Senior Conservatives have warned they could lose the independence referendum in Scotland because its campaign chief Alistair Darling is 'useless' and 'comatose' One Cabinet minister said: ‘We could be in real danger, we are not in any way complacent about this. The independence side have an easier sell.’ The source said there was even talk of the former Prime Minister Mr Brown being brought ‘out of self-imposed exile’ to lead the campaign. ‘We have to remember he is more popular in Scotland than he is in the rest of the country. But God help us if it takes Gordon to win the referendum.’ Labour’s own anti-separation campaign, United with Labour, is using Mr Brown as its frontman. Sources said he would be ready to play a starring role in the main campaign if called on to do so and has already spoken about the economic stumbling blocks for an independent Scotland. Momentum is building for Gordon Brown to return to frontline politics to lead the campaign Momentum is building for Gordon Brown to return to frontline politics to lead the campaign Another member of the Tory high command said they blamed Mr Darling, the former Labour Chancellor, for the lacklustre campaign. ‘Alistair Darling has never run a campaign. He is comatose most of the time.’ The source added that he had a ‘gut feeling’ that the no camp could lose. Another senior parliamentary party figure said he thought Mr Darling was ‘useless’. The Tory said that the no campaign should have used the Education Secretary Michael Gove - who is Scottish - or Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt. ‘He’s not a very good communicator,’ he said of Mr Darling. ‘You need someone like Gove or Hunt, but it’s difficult because the head of the pro-union campaign has to be a Labour figure - it’s hard for a southern English Tory to criticise him publicly.’ While Mr Darling was seen as a credible Chancellor, his low-key personal charm has rattled senior Coalition figures. Supporters of Mr Darling insist that he has been doing a ‘steady’ job. ‘There has been no spike in the polls for the Better Together campaign since the white paper was released last week.’ The 670 page document set out the nationalist’s vision for a separate Scotland. The Tories have just one MP in Scotland and some have privately wondered if the party would be better off electorally if it did become independent. There are fears that the Better Together campaign has no 'fire in its belly' and could end up being outfoxed by Alex Salmond's nationalists There are fears that the Better Together campaign has no 'fire in its belly' and could end up being outfoxed by Alex Salmond's nationalists Another Better Campaign source said: ‘This is just nonsense. If you want any evidence as to why it is nonsense, you need only look at the work that Better Together - and Alistair Darling in particular - did last week to dismantle the nationalists’ white paper. 'The polls today show that support for Scotland leaving the UK is lower than it was when our campaign started.’ But the Tories themselves are largely unpopular north of the Border. David Cameron has refused to submit himself to one-on-one television debates with the Scottish First Minister ahead of the September 2014 referendum. The Prime Minister made his last major speech on Scotland in Edinburgh in February 2012 Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z2mUv1C6dj bloodnock wrote: Funny old world...Aint it It seems not everyone in the no camp shares your confidence.  Funny, it's bloody hilarious
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| Author: | Nidge2 [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 5:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Latest UKIP Propaganda |
grandad wrote: Nidge2 wrote: I'd save £60billion + a year not being in the EU. Go on then Nidge, I'll bite. give us the breakdown of your £60 billion? Not once in 32 years has Britain received more than it's paid in. I've lost £5billion, it's actually £65billion. http://www.democracymovementsurrey.co.u ... costs.html The total gross cost to the UK of EU membership in 2008 they estimate at around £65,000,000,000* - including: •£28 billion for business to comply with EU regulations, •£17 billion of additional food costs resulting from the Common Agricultural Policy •£3.3 billion - the value of the catch lost when the Common Fisheries Policy let other countries fish in our territorial waters •£14.6 billion gross paid into the EU budget and other EU funds. (In 2011 this had risen to £19 billion) http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news ... -back.html |
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| Author: | bloodnock [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Latest UKIP Propaganda |
gusmac wrote: What a load of crap. Sad thing is, you probably believe it It's all here..from Auntie Beeb herself. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-25132026 |
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| Author: | grandad [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Latest UKIP Propaganda |
Nidge2 wrote: grandad wrote: Nidge2 wrote: I'd save £60billion + a year not being in the EU. Go on then Nidge, I'll bite. give us the breakdown of your £60 billion? Not once in 32 years has Britain received more than it's paid in. I've lost £5billion, it's actually £65billion. http://www.democracymovementsurrey.co.u ... costs.html The total gross cost to the UK of EU membership in 2008 they estimate at around £65,000,000,000* - including: •£28 billion for business to comply with EU regulations, •£17 billion of additional food costs resulting from the Common Agricultural Policy •£3.3 billion - the value of the catch lost when the Common Fisheries Policy let other countries fish in our territorial waters •£14.6 billion gross paid into the EU budget and other EU funds. (In 2011 this had risen to £19 billion) http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news ... -back.html Right, now you have given the GROSS cost, how about taking off what we get back so that we have the NET cost which is the actual cost. |
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| Author: | gusmac [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Latest UKIP Propaganda |
bloodnock wrote: gusmac wrote: What a load of crap. Sad thing is, you probably believe it It's all here..from Auntie Beeb herself. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-25132026 That's an opinion, not a fact. He also thinks Gibraltar is Spanish. Do you (and the EBC) agree with that too? 
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| Author: | Nidge2 [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Latest UKIP Propaganda |
grandad wrote: Right, now you have given the GROSS cost, how about taking off what we get back so that we have the NET cost which is the actual cost. Well add in the extra £13billion the EU have had this last year from the UK it's still at £65billion. |
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: The Latest UKIP Propaganda |
Nidge2 wrote: grandad wrote: Right, now you have given the GROSS cost, how about taking off what we get back so that we have the NET cost which is the actual cost. Well add in the extra £13billion the EU have had this last year from the UK it's still at £65billion. we could also stop sending the world billions in aid, that might help |
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