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| Author: | trotskys twin [ Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:21 pm ] |
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Ed Millibland the gormless gutless gink and leader of the Labour Party squawks about the banksters but fails to promise to bang em up and then announces he wants to abolish the system that got him elected......................................................ffs am i dreaming 
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| Author: | gusmac [ Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PATHETIC |
trotskys twin wrote: Ed Millibland the gormless gutless gink and leader of the Labour Party squawks about the banksters but fails to promise to bang em up and then announces he wants to abolish the system that got him elected......................................................ffs am i dreaming Unfortunately not 
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| Author: | Skull [ Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PATHETIC |
Now remind me of what I was saying on a previous thread about the political class and career politicians? 
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| Author: | trotskys twin [ Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:40 pm ] |
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Skull wrote: Now remind me of what I was saying on a previous thread about the political class and career politicians? SO WHATS YOUR PLAN TO CHANGE IT??????????????YOU ALREADY KNOW MINE ...............BE INVOLVED 
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| Author: | Skull [ Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PATHETIC |
trotskys twin wrote: Skull wrote: Now remind me of what I was saying on a previous thread about the political class and career politicians? SO WHATS YOUR PLAN TO CHANGE IT??????????????YOU ALREADY KNOW MINE ...............BE INVOLVED I don’t know if you’ve been watching the news, but the political system is controlled by the privileged elite, multinational companies, their lobbyists, and the bankers. Oh and the Millibands and their Labour party sit far to the right of Thatcher. There is no representing the rights of the working man anymore. I’ve said this, before but unless there is a complete meltdown of the financial system, nothing will change as there is simply no will for a revolt. Oh and you know my thoughts on the Unions... |
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| Author: | trotskys twin [ Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PATHETIC |
So skull ..............................your happy taking it up the shyttttttttttttttttttttttee chute then. Perhaps some constructive ideas are now due ..........................youve clearly rubbished mine without producing an alternative solution 
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| Author: | Skull [ Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PATHETIC |
trotskys twin wrote: So skull ..............................your happy taking it up the shyttttttttttttttttttttttee chute then. Perhaps some constructive ideas are now due ..........................youve clearly rubbished mine without producing an alternative solution No. I've already come up with an alternative on the "200km of jams in taxi protest" thread. You need to restructure the Unions to represent the working man in 21st century Britain. This cozy wee job for the boys, has got to stop. 
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| Author: | captain cab [ Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:45 am ] |
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| Author: | cabby john [ Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:22 pm ] |
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captain cab wrote: Very droll 
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| Author: | trotskys twin [ Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PATHETIC |
Skull wrote: trotskys twin wrote: So skull ..............................your happy taking it up the shyttttttttttttttttttttttee chute then. Perhaps some constructive ideas are now due ..........................youve clearly rubbished mine without producing an alternative solution No. I've already come up with an alternative on the "200km of jams in taxi protest" thread. You need to restructure the Unions to represent the working man in 21st century Britain. This cozy wee job for the boys, has got to stop. So how do we change restructure these organisations from the outside??????????????? |
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| Author: | Skull [ Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PATHETIC |
trotskys twin wrote: Skull wrote: trotskys twin wrote: So skull ..............................your happy taking it up the shyttttttttttttttttttttttee chute then. Perhaps some constructive ideas are now due ..........................youve clearly rubbished mine without producing an alternative solution No. I've already come up with an alternative on the "200km of jams in taxi protest" thread. You need to restructure the Unions to represent the working man in 21st century Britain. This cozy wee job for the boys, has got to stop. So how do we change restructure these organisations from the outside??????????????? You don't, and that was my point in an earlier post. You have two choices, start your own association/union or restructure the existing organisations by submitting proposals for fixed terms in office for elected officials and vote the proposal through at the next AGM. It would probably mean changing your unions written constitution. You can change the structure of your Union, but first, you would have to find out what percentage of the vote is needed, and then contact the members. It should be written into your organisation's articles of association. Oh and all these guys currently serving on the committee won't give up without a fight. They don't want to be elected for a maximum term in office and never to return. They want the gravy train. You hold a membership Trotsky, so it's your choice, if you want to do something about it but to do nothing is to give approval to the present regime. |
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PATHETIC |
Milly Band seems to have forgotten it was HIS party that set the rot in |
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| Author: | trotskys twin [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PATHETIC |
You don't, and that was my point in an earlier post. You have two choices, start your own association/union or restructure the existing organisations by submitting proposals for fixed terms in office for elected officials and vote the proposal through at the next AGM. It would probably mean changing your unions written constitution. You can change the structure of your Union, but first, you would have to find out what percentage of the vote is needed, and then contact the members. It should be written into your organisation's articles of association. Oh and all these guys currently serving on the committee won't give up without a fight. They don't want to be elected for a maximum term in office and never to return. They want the gravy train. You hold a membership Trotsky, so it's your choice, if you want to do something about it but to do nothing is to give approval to the present regime.[/quote] Skull after 52 years in the movement i am fully aware of the procedures to impose the changes you suggest, but more to the point i am fully aware as to WHO can vote those changes in MEMBERS. 600 00 OF THEM  Regular elections are of course essential and sadly do not take place for many officers within the GMB and Unite, i have of course attempted to change that situation and i believe it will happen within the next few years within the GMB Let me give you an example within the GMB there 8 Regions each region has a Regional Secretary and you and i would expect this Reg SEc to be elected by the membership ? but no He and its always a he is SELECTED by The regional ctte of that region at interviews held behind closed doors and the minutes of that meeting are not allowed to be read by ordinary members, My opinion is that process is OBSCENE. I N lONDON FOR EXAMPLE THE REGION HAS AROUND 90000 MEMBERS OF WHOM 10 SELECT THE REG SEC ABSOLUTELY DISGRACEFUL IN MY OPINION  These regional secs do not have a period of office its a job for life and they have very considerable powers even to the extent of being able to CLOSE Branch's. This union the GMB has the audacity to state that it is a democratic organisation ..............no fekking way ................if you were to google" rebuild the gmb union" you will find a site dedicated to stopping this obscene practice..................you wont be surprised to learn that the member who set up this site was expelled for setting it up .....however other events currently in the pipeline will i believe rectify this sorry situation. General secs of all Unions under law must be re.. elected on a regular basis, there is currently a case running regarding UNITE and the re..election of McCluskey where it is alleged that a multitude of DEAD members partook in the ballot, ensuring Mc Cluskeys re. election watch this space  I do not sgree with you in that all officers should only be able to serve one term in office, personal experience is that you cant buy experience A shop steward ctte man whatever will be increasingly effective after years on the job............just as you are a more effec tive cab driver. All Unions have in built problems those Unions will only be reformed from the inside. I will not trash 130 years of activity by attempting to create a new Union but i will fight tooth and nail to reform what exists and despite its appaling lack of democracy has achieved many triumphs in its History Its worth noting that originated in the Print industry............where we had the PRE ENTRY CLOSED SHOP AND EVERY REPEAT EVERY POSITION WITHIN THE UNION IE FATHER OF THE CHAPEL [SHOP STEWARD] UPWARDS WAS UP FOR ELECTION WITHIN TIME SCALES .! 1 2 OR 3 YEARS ............AND NOTE THIS. VOTING WAS COMPULSORY YOU DIDNT VOTE YOUR YOU FINED GET FINED TWICE YOU WERE EXPELLED IE OUT OF WORK ................THE GOOD OLD DAYS AND OF COURSE THE STRONGEST UNIONS WE DIDNT FEKK ABOUT AND IT TOOK A GOVERNMENT AND ITS ARMED FORCES TO FEKK US ALONG THAT WELSH KUUUUUUUNT KINNOCK
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| Author: | Skull [ Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PATHETIC |
Trotsky writes: Quote: I do not sgree with you in that all officers should only be able to serve one term in office, personal experience is that you cant buy experience A shop steward ctte man whatever will be increasingly effective after years on the job............just as you are a more effec tive cab driver. I never said that all officers, should serve only one term in office. What I said was there should be a maximum term one can serve in office, of perhaps 3-4 years, and then they have to stand down, with no prospect of standing for reelection. That way, the committee retains continuity with a mixture of new blood and experience to take the organisation forward into the future. The problem you have now, it that the above doesn't happen, and it sounds like they are already using the bullshit line about losing the experienced members from the committee. It is the executive who is responsible for the day-to-day running of the organisation, and not, the elected officials. The company officers are responsible for seeing that the wishes of its members are carried out by the executive. What appears to be happening at present is that election buys you a career path, working with the executive of the organisation as an employee. I hate to say it Trotsky, but your Union isn't worth a sook in its present condition. 
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| Author: | trotskys twin [ Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: PATHETIC |
Skull wrote: Trotsky writes: Quote: I do not sgree with you in that all officers should only be able to serve one term in office, personal experience is that you cant buy experience A shop steward ctte man whatever will be increasingly effective after years on the job............just as you are a more effec tive cab driver. I never said that all officers, should serve only one term in office. What I said was there should be a maximum term one can serve in office, of perhaps 3-4 years, and then they have to stand down, with no prospect of standing for reelection. That way, the committee retains continuity with a mixture of new blood and experience to take the organisation forward into the future. The problem you have now, it that the above doesn't happen, and it sounds like they are already using the bullshit line about losing the experienced members from the committee. It is the executive who is responsible for the day-to-day running of the organisation, and not, the elected officials. The company officers are responsible for seeing that the wishes of its members are carried out by the executive. What appears to be happening at present is that election buys you a career path, working with the executive of the organisation as an employee. I hate to say it Trotsky, but your Union isn't worth a sook in its present condition. SOOK ???????????????????? Gus Unions dont have Company officers ffs they have employed officials all decisions SHOULD be taken by the MEMBERSHIP! officers ie full time officers are employed by being elected or in the GMB selected [disgraceful] Lay officials is where the power lies ie shop stewards Conveners ctte members THEY should lnstruct the hired hands Rest assured i appreciate your opinion, clearly the Unions have been in the main unsuccessful in organising the Cab industry ................but of course a Union can only react to its members instructions and if yer aint a member giving the instructions ........................they are not going to effective ..........chicken and egg my experience in many industries is i repeat if workers get involveld success is possibble .......................dont get involveld nothing happpens.... career paths defo but of course only if the members allow it .....................go to "rebuild the gmb union" where some are attempting to cure some of what you allege
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