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| Author: | grandad [ Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | the great debate. |
I didn't get to hear all 10.5 hours of the debate in the commons yesterday but I did hear the last hour. I thought that Hilary Benn made by far the best speech. based on that, I think the Tories would be facing a far better opposition if he were the leader. |
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| Author: | edders23 [ Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: the great debate. |
for some reason yesterday our phones were ringing like crazy after 2 VERY quiet days so radio was off all day was it interesting or just the usual political double talk the result of course is RAF Tornado jets based in Cyprus carry out their first air strikes against so-called Islamic State in Syria, the MoD confirms, hours after MPs voted in favour by 397 to 223. headlines bbc news website They couldn't wait to get strated wasting tax payers money |
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| Author: | grandad [ Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: the great debate. |
It depends on what you find interesting. There were lots of very good speeches for both sides of the debate. Everything was conducted in the manner in which you would like to think the commons could act all the time. No mass jeering or shouting down, just proper debate. |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: the great debate. |
grandad wrote: I didn't get to hear all 10.5 hours of the debate in the commons yesterday but I did hear the last hour. I thought that Hilary Benn made by far the best speech. based on that, I think the Tories would be facing a far better opposition if he were the leader. I agree. That said I doubt it's possible for Labour to have a more un-electable leader than Corbyn. |
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| Author: | bloodnock [ Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: the great debate. |
edders23 wrote: for some reason yesterday our phones were ringing like crazy after 2 VERY quiet days so radio was off all day was it interesting or just the usual political double talk the result of course is RAF Tornado jets based in Cyprus carry out their first air strikes against so-called Islamic State in Syria, the MoD confirms, hours after MPs voted in favour by 397 to 223. headlines bbc news website They couldn't wait to get strated wasting tax payers money Not a waste of money at all, better they get to grips with the problem over there before the problem over there expands and becomes the problem over here...feck knows, there's enough of a potential problem here with the unchecked migration westwards already. You cant pacify the unpacifiable. |
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| Author: | Cabby John 1 [ Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: the great debate. |
grandad wrote: I didn't get to hear all 10.5 hours of the debate in the commons yesterday but I did hear the last hour. I thought that Hilary Benn made by far the best speech. based on that, I think the Tories would be facing a far better opposition if he were the leader. Marvelous...pump up the rhetoric and the war mongers thrive on it! The bottom line being as I have already mentioned some time ago. If any of us fell out as neighbours and started beating the hell out of one another, and then one of us because we wanted to end it, went next door and decided to kill the other person, and a few innocent people basically because they happened to be there ........then you/I would be off to jail/goal. Millions of years on from the beginning of civilisation and they still act like cavemen, instead of acting like the intelligent people that they are supposed to be. |
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| Author: | bloodnock [ Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: the great debate. |
Cabby John 1 wrote: grandad wrote: I didn't get to hear all 10.5 hours of the debate in the commons yesterday but I did hear the last hour. I thought that Hilary Benn made by far the best speech. based on that, I think the Tories would be facing a far better opposition if he were the leader. Marvelous...pump up the rhetoric and the war mongers thrive on it! The bottom line being as I have already mentioned some time ago. If any of us fell out as neighbours and started beating the hell out of one another, and then one of us because we wanted to end it, went next door and decided to kill the other person, and a few innocent people basically because they happened to be there ........then you/I would be off to jail/goal. Millions of years on from the beginning of civilisation and they still act like cavemen, instead of acting like the intelligent people that they are supposed to be. So if your neighbour and their whole extended family classed you as bad and decreed that you should either change your religion to suit theirs or because you don't wish to then your agin them and hence you should be killed...are you just going to go round with a box of Cadbury's roses in the hope that you'll can change their mind and that you'll live happily ever after together in perfect harmony. |
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| Author: | Cabby John 1 [ Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: the great debate. |
bloodnock wrote: Cabby John 1 wrote: grandad wrote: I didn't get to hear all 10.5 hours of the debate in the commons yesterday but I did hear the last hour. I thought that Hilary Benn made by far the best speech. based on that, I think the Tories would be facing a far better opposition if he were the leader. Marvelous...pump up the rhetoric and the war mongers thrive on it! The bottom line being as I have already mentioned some time ago. If any of us fell out as neighbours and started beating the hell out of one another, and then one of us because we wanted to end it, went next door and decided to kill the other person, and a few innocent people basically because they happened to be there ........then you/I would be off to jail/goal. Millions of years on from the beginning of civilisation and they still act like cavemen, instead of acting like the intelligent people that they are supposed to be. So if your neighbour and their whole extended family classed you as bad and decreed that you should either change your religion to suit theirs or because you don't wish to then your agin them and hence you should be killed...are you just going to go round with a box of Cadbury's roses in the hope that you'll can change their mind and that you'll live happily ever after together in perfect harmony. As the saying goes....there is more than one way to skin a cat. You do not have to kill innocent people to attain your objective. I have seen the Hilary Benn speech; it is nothing more than a back door attempt at Labour leadership.....and the mugs will fall for it. |
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| Author: | grandad [ Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: the great debate. |
Cabby John 1 wrote: I have seen the Hilary Benn speech; it is nothing more than a back door attempt at Labour leadership. I would have said front door and the sooner the better. |
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| Author: | grandad [ Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: the great debate. |
Cabby John 1 wrote: You do not have to kill innocent people to attain your objective. How many innocent people do you think there are left in the areas controlled by IS? There can't be that many judging by the number of refugees that have left. |
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| Author: | Cabby John 1 [ Thu Dec 03, 2015 3:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: the great debate. |
grandad wrote: Cabby John 1 wrote: You do not have to kill innocent people to attain your objective. How many innocent people do you think there are left in the areas controlled by IS? There can't be that many judging by the number of refugees that have left. Okay I take that as tongue in cheek....but! Quote: What is the population of Syria? Three million Syrians have become refugees abroad and 6.5 million more have fled their homes for other locations within the country (a group known as "internally displaced people," or IDPs)—all told, roughly 43 percent of Syria's pre-war population of 22 million. Basically lots and lots still there. |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: the great debate. |
grandad wrote: I didn't get to hear all 10.5 hours of the debate in the commons yesterday but I did hear the last hour. I thought that Hilary Benn made by far the best speech. based on that, I think the Tories would be facing a far better opposition if he were the leader. Don't agree with air strikes, but Hilary Benn's speech was the best I've heard in years |
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| Author: | edders23 [ Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: the great debate. |
Cabby John 1 wrote: grandad wrote: Cabby John 1 wrote: You do not have to kill innocent people to attain your objective. How many innocent people do you think there are left in the areas controlled by IS? There can't be that many judging by the number of refugees that have left. Okay I take that as tongue in cheek....but! Quote: What is the population of Syria? Three million Syrians have become refugees abroad and 6.5 million more have fled their homes for other locations within the country (a group known as "internally displaced people," or IDPs)—all told, roughly 43 percent of Syria's pre-war population of 22 million. Basically lots and lots still there. But IS and Assad have brutalised the population between them most that are left will have become traumatised at best or turned into brutal killers at worst |
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Thu Dec 03, 2015 6:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: the great debate. |
Fire and Brimestone.....well certainly the latter |
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| Author: | Cabby John 1 [ Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: the great debate. |
Quote: Don't agree with air strikes, but Hilary Benn's speech was the best I've heard in years It is so easy (for all of us) to get sucked in by political spiel, there again what would you expect from a politician......surely not honesty and integrity. Another example of a double header, grandstanding. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 34651.html |
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