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EU - Remain or Leave?
Remain in the EU 28%  28%  [ 12 ]
Leave the EU 72%  72%  [ 31 ]
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:03 pm 
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From an NHS worker.
The EU vote:
I've taken a lot of time to read both arguments and my only genuine conclusion is this: both sides will lie and tell you what you want to hear to win this thing.
But there is one thing I know, and that's the NHS. I've worked in the NHS for 15 glorious years. I am proud to work in it and I think it is amazing. I'm not blind to see that it has its flaws, but with re: to the EU, it is not Brussels or a supposed uncontrollable influx of migrants that is hampering the NHS - I have never spent a Sunday on RAU (admission ward) dealing with a sudden refugee crisis. The NHS is currently underfunded by a group of politicians that want it to fail so they can sell it off for their own profit. And as far as I can tell these are the guys running the VOTE LEAVE campaign.
They want no EU counter measure to their plan to sell off the NHS. And for that reason, I shall be voting REMAIN.
The EU is not perfect, but I'd rather be at the table discussing ways to improve it than taking my ball and going home in a sulk.
And in my opinion nothing is more important than the NHS and health in general. And for those considering the LEAVE vote, I have 2 questions; when you're on holiday in Europe, how much do you think your health insurance will be?? And further more, when the NHS has been disbanded and you or a loved one is diagnosed with a highly curable form of leukemia, where are you going to find £250,000 to pay for the cure? At the moment that's still free. Be careful what you wish for.


From an MP you mean?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:07 pm 
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grandad wrote:
Just as a small example.
If we leave the EU, what will the price of a pint of milk cost? Will our farmers get paid any more money for their milk than they get at the moment? Will the price in the supermarket go up, go down or stay the same?

Couldn't care less.

It will be my decision to buy the expensive milk or not as the case may be, in a similar way as our government elected by our people will be able to set all our laws, not just some of them.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:11 pm 
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If you offered total control of laws to the people of China, or Saudi Arabia or any other dictatorship, and they could have the freedom to elect people to be in control of all their laws, would they say no because it might put the price of milk up.

I very much doubt it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 3:57 pm 
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Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata,the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria.
His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc.,
in the UK.
The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.
Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK.
Name me one major technology company still running in the UK,., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.
I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.
Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea,
1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party.
2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.
3/ You don't think it matters.
Vote Leave tomorrow before we are annihilated.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 5:14 pm 
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So you want to stay....

"European Commission president warns there will be no further renegotiation with Brussels"

Think again...your gonna get kicked hard by the EU as punishment if you stay.

Leave is the only sane option.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 6:35 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
If you offered total control of laws to the people of China, or Saudi Arabia or any other dictatorship, and they could have the freedom to elect people to be in control of all their laws, would they say no because it might put the price of milk up.

I very much doubt it.



Shhh....I think he may be one the boys from Brazil.. :shock: next the world. 8)

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:19 pm 
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My son has just been to Tesco. All the tills are open and there are queues. It seems that some folk are panic buying. What do they think is going to happen tomorrow?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:26 pm 
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Because of the floods in London voting is going to be extended.

Today all those voting Leave are asked to vote as normal today, those voting Stay are being requested to vote tomorrow. :-$

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:31 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
Because of the floods in London voting is going to be extended.

Today all those voting Leave are asked to vote as normal today, those voting Stay are being requested to vote tomorrow. :-$

Some idiots would believe you. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:19 pm 
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My son has just been to Tesco. All the tills are open and there are queues. It seems that some folk are panic buying. What do they think is going to happen tomorrow?



:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:21 pm 
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bloodnock wrote:
So you want to stay....

"European Commission president warns there will be no further renegotiation with Brussels"

Think again...your gonna get kicked hard by the EU as punishment if you stay.

Leave is the only sane option.



Sounds like Holland are looking at the referendum result closely, if the UK comes out of the EU they are looking at setting a date for a referendum as early as tomorrow.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:34 am 
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Looking a tad tasty fellas.

:-$

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:50 am 
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03.45 I am off to bed, the outs just under 500,000 in front. One heck of a battle that will probably be decided by the postal voters - in favour of the "Ins"! Having said that it is a vote that shows a divided country and cannot be ignored.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:42 am 
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Its out. Money men [edited by admin] scared.


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=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> To all of those with the courage of their convictions - good has triumphed over evil =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

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