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so the other year the Swiss were allowed to grab Cadburys we sold the steel industry to the Indians and now they want to shut it down and today we find out the Americans want to snaffle Mr Kipling

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35923634

at this rate we won't have a single UK owned or run business left and whats the betting it'll happen and they will move manufacture back to the US the same way the Swiss did with Cadburys

Isn't the company that now owns cadbury an American company?

People were warned in 1984 when we were on strike what the future held if they did not support us,the I am all right jacks at the time who sowed the seeds are now seeing the crop come to fruition,Private enterprise left to run amok in the pursuit of lining certain peoples pockets does not work,first we had the milk snatcher destroying young peoples futures now we have Cameron and Osborne not content with destroying once again young peoples futures but destroying our island nation into the bargain,giving the power to overseas companies to control our destiny.

We are a Island race(mixed blood from many nations) who have never been totally conquered by anyone but we have this so called government (Tories) surrendering everything in their capitalist beliefs to the people who lines their pockets the most.

Self sufficient these Islands of ours until the capitalists lined their pockets whilst selling everything off,now totally reliant on everything from overseas,paying through the nose for everything we need,food,fuel and raw materials is coming tomorrow,the Tories will see to that through their pocket lining friends.

Get rid of this lot before it is to late to reverse the damage they have done and will do if allowed to carry on,in their pursuit of total capitalism.

Not only are they hell bent on destroying the lives of millions of us Islanders,industries of which there is not many left,we are probably the largest industry(TAXI) that is owned by us Islanders left AND BE WARNED THEY ARE HELL BENT ON DESTROYING THAT ALSO.

1984 was lost due to lack of support of the populace not the bulk of miners themselves, but the lack of support for the National Taxi Associations within this trade by license holders or drivers is unbelievable and can only draw the conclusion that they are part of the 1984 I am all right brigade or their off spring.

You have not absorbed the content of the post nor denied any of the content,this is what capitalism does,creates not a democracy but a dictatorship.

heathcote wrote:

You have not absorbed the content of the post nor denied any of the content,this is what capitalism does,creates not a democracy but a dictatorship.

The only way for a government to intervene is with money. Now how much should the tax payer have to pay to support these unsustainable industries. If the steel plants are given money to produce steel that costs more than it can be bought elsewhere, who is going to buy it?

heathcote wrote:

You have not absorbed the content of the post nor denied any of the content,this is what capitalism does,creates not a democracy but a dictatorship.

Premier Li Keqiang may genuinely want to purge the Chinese economy of its excesses before the country crashes into the middle income trap, but his views are routinely ignored by the Politburo whenever they clash with party imperatives.

The fact remains that China is still adding extra capacity, albeit of a greener kind than the dirty micro-mills of the smog bowl.

The giant state producer Sinosteel - with $16bn of debts - was rescued from bankruptcy in October. The reforms failed their first big test. UBS estimates that the 100 biggest steel producers in China lost $11bn in the first ten months of last year. The state plugged the hole.

Author:	edders23 [ Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:23 am ]
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so the other year the Swiss were allowed to grab Cadburys we sold the steel industry to the Indians and now they want to shut it down and today we find out the Americans want to snaffle Mr Kipling http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35923634 at this rate we won't have a single UK owned or run business left and whats the betting it'll happen and they will move manufacture back to the US the same way the Swiss did with Cadburys

Author:	MR T [ Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:26 am ]
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Porridge will be next.

Author:	Sussex [ Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:48 pm ]
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edders23 wrote: so the other year the Swiss were allowed to grab Cadburys we sold the steel industry to the Indians and now they want to shut it down and today we find out the Americans want to snaffle Mr Kipling http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35923634 at this rate we won't have a single UK owned or run business left and whats the betting it'll happen and they will move manufacture back to the US the same way the Swiss did with Cadburys You make a reasonable point, however its worth thinking about who owns the companies that were once British owned, in many cases it's British shareholders/pension funds.

Author:	grandad [ Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:49 pm ]
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edders23 wrote: so the other year the Swiss were allowed to grab Cadburys we sold the steel industry to the Indians and now they want to shut it down and today we find out the Americans want to snaffle Mr Kipling http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35923634 at this rate we won't have a single UK owned or run business left and whats the betting it'll happen and they will move manufacture back to the US the same way the Swiss did with Cadburys Isn't the company that now owns cadbury an American company?

Author:	Sussex [ Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:51 pm ]
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grandad wrote: Isn't the company that now owns cadbury an American company? Yes and they now have cream eggs that don't have the proper chocolate.

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Author:	heathcote [ Wed Mar 30, 2016 8:38 pm ]
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People were warned in 1984 when we were on strike what the future held if they did not support us,the I am all right jacks at the time who sowed the seeds are now seeing the crop come to fruition,Private enterprise left to run amok in the pursuit of lining certain peoples pockets does not work,first we had the milk snatcher destroying young peoples futures now we have Cameron and Osborne not content with destroying once again young peoples futures but destroying our island nation into the bargain,giving the power to overseas companies to control our destiny. We are a Island race(mixed blood from many nations) who have never been totally conquered by anyone but we have this so called government (Tories) surrendering everything in their capitalist beliefs to the people who lines their pockets the most. Self sufficient these Islands of ours until the capitalists lined their pockets whilst selling everything off,now totally reliant on everything from overseas,paying through the nose for everything we need,food,fuel and raw materials is coming tomorrow,the Tories will see to that through their pocket lining friends. Get rid of this lot before it is to late to reverse the damage they have done and will do if allowed to carry on,in their pursuit of total capitalism. Not only are they hell bent on destroying the lives of millions of us Islanders,industries of which there is not many left,we are probably the largest industry(TAXI) that is owned by us Islanders left AND BE WARNED THEY ARE HELL BENT ON DESTROYING THAT ALSO. 1984 was lost due to lack of support of the populace not the bulk of miners themselves, but the lack of support for the National Taxi Associations within this trade by license holders or drivers is unbelievable and can only draw the conclusion that they are part of the 1984 I am all right brigade or their off spring.

Author:	Nidge2 [ Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:14 am ]
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Shock horror, Cameron isn't going to bail out the Steel works.

Author:	grandad [ Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:22 am ]
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heathcote wrote: People were warned in 1984 when we were on strike what the future held if they did not support us,the I am all right jacks at the time who sowed the seeds are now seeing the crop come to fruition,Private enterprise left to run amok in the pursuit of lining certain peoples pockets does not work,first we had the milk snatcher destroying young peoples futures now we have Cameron and Osborne not content with destroying once again young peoples futures but destroying our island nation into the bargain,giving the power to overseas companies to control our destiny. We are a Island race(mixed blood from many nations) who have never been totally conquered by anyone but we have this so called government (Tories) surrendering everything in their capitalist beliefs to the people who lines their pockets the most. Self sufficient these Islands of ours until the capitalists lined their pockets whilst selling everything off,now totally reliant on everything from overseas,paying through the nose for everything we need,food,fuel and raw materials is coming tomorrow,the Tories will see to that through their pocket lining friends. Get rid of this lot before it is to late to reverse the damage they have done and will do if allowed to carry on,in their pursuit of total capitalism. Not only are they hell bent on destroying the lives of millions of us Islanders,industries of which there is not many left,we are probably the largest industry(TAXI) that is owned by us Islanders left AND BE WARNED THEY ARE HELL BENT ON DESTROYING THAT ALSO. 1984 was lost due to lack of support of the populace not the bulk of miners themselves, but the lack of support for the National Taxi Associations within this trade by license holders or drivers is unbelievable and can only draw the conclusion that they are part of the 1984 I am all right brigade or their off spring. How much money do you want the country to spend on supporting industries that can't produce products at prices that are affordable?

Author:	heathcote [ Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:36 am ]
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You have not absorbed the content of the post nor denied any of the content,this is what capitalism does,creates not a democracy but a dictatorship.

Author:	grandad [ Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:59 am ]
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heathcote wrote: You have not absorbed the content of the post nor denied any of the content,this is what capitalism does,creates not a democracy but a dictatorship. The only way for a government to intervene is with money. Now how much should the tax payer have to pay to support these unsustainable industries. If the steel plants are given money to produce steel that costs more than it can be bought elsewhere, who is going to buy it?

Author:	cabby john [ Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:57 am ]
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heathcote wrote: You have not absorbed the content of the post nor denied any of the content,this is what capitalism does,creates not a democracy but a dictatorship.

Author:	Midlife martyr [ Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:00 am ]
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grandad wrote: heathcote wrote: You have not absorbed the content of the post nor denied any of the content,this is what capitalism does,creates not a democracy but a dictatorship. The only way for a government to intervene is with money. Now how much should the tax payer have to pay to support these unsustainable industries. If the steel plants are given money to produce steel that costs more than it can be bought elsewhere, who is going to buy it? And what about the cost of thousands of families on benefits plus the social deprivation which will be visited on areas where steel is the main employer, there are areas around here that are still blighted by the pit closures of the eighties. And do you believe that allowing China to destroy our steel industry is a good thing? Once it's gone then prices will invariably rise.

Author:	cabby john [ Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:23 am ]
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grandad wrote: heathcote wrote: You have not absorbed the content of the post nor denied any of the content,this is what capitalism does,creates not a democracy but a dictatorship. The only way for a government to intervene is with money. Now how much should the tax payer have to pay to support these unsustainable industries. If the steel plants are given money to produce steel that costs more than it can be bought elsewhere, who is going to buy it? They can only buy it cheaper from elsewhere because the labour force are being paid slave wages in the likes of China - the government are complicit in supporting countries that pay as little as possible. The warning signs are all around us that cheap is failing i.e the rich/poor divide is getting larger by the day, quality jobs have disappeared by the millons, the country has never been in so much peace time debt, real unrmployment is consistently rising etc etc + of course the 8 years of financial suppression that we are stuck in............that is what cheap does for you/I. It would seem that people are being fed copius amounts of BS that cheap is good, and to hell with the poor sods who are on the sharp end of the stick. You only have to look at anywhere i.e pubs/eating places etc that promote cheap - the standards go down and down, in turn dragging the dregs of society in through the doors. Cheap is not good in the long run, as greed dictates further down the line from the bosses.........we want more! It is not a sustainable practice and has to bottom out. As already pointed out by others we have to have our own Steel making plants, it is a security necessity i.e if war broke out........who the heck is going to supply us Or I'm sorry there is a 3 month waiting list - I dont think so.

Author:	Cabby John 1 [ Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:07 am ]
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From an article in the "Telegraph". Quote: Premier Li Keqiang may genuinely want to purge the Chinese economy of its excesses before the country crashes into the middle income trap, but his views are routinely ignored by the Politburo whenever they clash with party imperatives. The fact remains that China is still adding extra capacity, albeit of a greener kind than the dirty micro-mills of the smog bowl. The giant state producer Sinosteel - with $16bn of debts - was rescued from bankruptcy in October. The reforms failed their first big test. UBS estimates that the 100 biggest steel producers in China lost $11bn in the first ten months of last year. The state plugged the hole. With policies such as in China, then by the State plugging the losses of any producer, they are going to drive any competition into the ground. We all know that when there is only (one) left that produces the given product - then they can name their price - we will all be very sorry when that happens. The capitalist model as it is, is doomed to failure, as it is pandering to those at the top. British politics needs redefining; We need a limited amount of politicians for political/diplomatic reasons, as for the welfare of Britain then it should be run by those with the relevant business experience.

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Author:	heathcote [ Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:31 am ]
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A very good letter in the Times today from one of Grandads heroes with reference to the steel industry and a deal he had negotiated years ago to assist our steel industry which was then blocked by the EU Commission also made reference to the training of young people and others for jobs that do not exist and in all probability never will.