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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:16 am 
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What do you all thing about Scottish independence?
Should we say no or should we say OK get on with it?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:42 pm 
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It does appear that the majority want it BUT I suspect that it is a similar thing to our brexit vote they all think they will be quids in because they will have much more money coming in in tax revenues

As a much smaller country the EU will see them as easy prey and I suspect an independent Scotland will be milked by the EU for it's oil and fishing rights and as somewhere to use to solve the migrant crisis

If they have another referendum I am certain they will vote for independence but they may well live to regret it because they haven't thought it through

They will undoubtedly get more tax revenues from oil and gas which in this day and age is a declining business as the world lurches towards carbon free energy and then they will have to fund a Scottish Army, Air force and navy as well as fisheries protection and customs and border forces.

The EU may insist on them applying for EU membership which could be a long and costly process. In addition there will be a lot of issues to resolve around transport links which have always been integrated

Scotland would be better off in the union but I think that is a lesson they want to learn the hard way

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:11 pm 
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edders23 wrote:
It does appear that the majority want it BUT I suspect that it is a similar thing to our brexit vote they all think they will be quids in because they will have much more money coming in in tax revenues

Where's the evidence that a 'majority want independence'?

About 45% voted in favour in the 2014 referendum. About the same %age as voted for pro-independence parties on Thursday (the SNP and Greens).

Sturgeon and the SNP downplayed independence during the election campaign and made it more about stopping Brexit :lol:

Now they're claiming Thursday's vote gave them a mandate for another referendum on independence :roll:

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I'm pretty sure Sturgeon doesn't actually want an independence referendum at the moment, because she knows it can't be won. But she also knows Boris won't allow one, so she pretends she wants one just to keep stirring things up and create division.

A lot of the hardcore Scottish nationalists have now come to the same conclusion, and are effectively accusing Sturgeon of treachery.

As for the public finances, Scotland currently subsidised by England, effectively. In particular, North Sea oil revenues have more or less disappeared, and they won't be coming back.



Nicola Sturgeon drops call for second Scottish independence vote because she knows voters hate it

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10518284/ ... op-brexit/

NICOLA Sturgeon has stopped mentioning a second Scottish independence vote — because the plan bombs with voters.

The SNP leader has switched her message to halting Brexit in a last-ditch bid to woo Remainers.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:43 pm 
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grandad wrote:
What do you all thing about Scottish independence?
Should we say no or should we say OK get on with it?

We had a 'once in a lifetime' referendum a few years back.

Recent opinion polls indicate the view then is more or less the view now.

So I say no vote now. Maybe in 10 years when we are out of the EU and then Scotland can decide if they really want the Euro and to be a very very very small fish in the EU.

The SNP need to concentrate on Scotland's domestic problems first.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2019 11:01 pm 
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The SNP need to concentrate on Scotland's domestic problems first.

Indeed, and that's one reason they constantly blame Westminster and bang the independence drum - it shifts attention from their domestic performance on things like this:

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Anyway, all last week's stuff will soon be forgotten about over Christmas, and it's the Alex Salmond trial in the new year.

Who knows what impact that will have on the opinion polls, if any.

But there's a lot of talk about Sturgeon coming out of the trial badly, and many claiming it will even finish her.

Suspect that's a bit hyped up, but the whole story can't be told at this time because it's sub judice.

But what's pretty clear is that another independence referendum won't be happening any time soon.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:45 am 
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Don't believe all the SNP hype, there were far fewer scots that voted for the SNP in this election than voted to remain in the UK just five years ago....the SNP simply picked up a lot of Remain voters and others who did not trust corbyn in the same way the Tories did in england.

This was not a mandate for Indyref 2 as the SNP pretends it to be, if they tried to foist an indyref 2 on us now it would backfire on the SNP big time.


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