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You still need to limit the supply of drivers, not their tools.


How fair is that......and tell me London aside how many do it with heart?

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You still need to limit the supply of drivers, not their tools.


How fair is that......

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How fair is it to give someone a badge and tell them
"now your a taxi driver" then "sorry you cant have a taxi of your own, go rent one or buy somebody out"?

Fair would be to make it harder to get the badge in the first place.

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and tell me London aside how many do it with heart?


Nowhere near enough.

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gusmac wrote:
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gusmac wrote:
You still need to limit the supply of drivers, not their tools.


How fair is that......

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How fair is it to dive someone a badge and tell them
"now your a taxi driver" then "sorry you cant have a taxi of your own, go rent one or buy somebody out"?

Fair would be to make it harder to get the badge in the first place.

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and tell me London aside how many do it with heart?


Nowhere near enough.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkTF5DRBxpI

I dont dispute the unfairness, but what else is there?

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gusmac wrote:

How fair is it to give someone a badge and tell them
"now your a taxi driver" then "sorry you cant have a taxi of your own, go rent one or buy somebody out"?

Fair would be to make it harder to get the badge in the first place.



....or take up the option of driving a PHV, until such time as the public demand, along with adequate rank space, dictates that more Hackneys are actually needed??? Just a thought! :wink:


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....or take up the option of driving a PHV, until such time as the public demand, along with adequate rank space, dictates that more Hackneys are actually needed??? Just a thought! :wink:


revolutionary!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkHM8xG6i8o

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Chilon of Sparta wrote:
gusmac wrote:

How fair is it to give someone a badge and tell them
"now your a taxi driver" then "sorry you cant have a taxi of your own, go rent one or buy somebody out"?

Fair would be to make it harder to get the badge in the first place.



....or take up the option of driving a PHV, until such time as the public demand, along with adequate rank space, dictates that more Hackneys are actually needed??? Just a thought! :wink:


Once the badge has been issued, there is no way to control this.
HC owners soon realise they can make decent money renting to other drivers without actually putting in the hours themselves.
PDQ most of the HCs end up working 24/7 with 2 or 3 drivers. Competition has still increased and you still cant make a decent living.

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gusmac wrote:

Once the badge has been issued, there is no way to control this.
HC owners soon realise they can make decent money renting to other drivers without actually putting in the hours themselves.
PDQ most of the HCs end up working 24/7 with 2 or 3 drivers. Competition has still increased and you still cant make a decent living.


Speak for yourself.....our saloons are limited....but there's no way I'll let anyone drive my car.

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captain cab wrote:
gusmac wrote:

Once the badge has been issued, there is no way to control this.
HC owners soon realise they can make decent money renting to other drivers without actually putting in the hours themselves.
PDQ most of the HCs end up working 24/7 with 2 or 3 drivers. Competition has still increased and you still cant make a decent living.


Speak for yourself.....our saloons are limited....but there's no way I'll let anyone drive my car.

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And you talk for everyone?


Hell no.....but the majority dont :wink:

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Once the badge has been issued, there is no way to control this.
HC owners soon realise they can make decent money renting to other drivers without actually putting in the hours themselves.
PDQ most of the HCs end up working 24/7 with 2 or 3 drivers. Competition has still increased and you still cant make a decent living.


Drivers would obtain a PHV licence, then convert to Hackney when a licence, or driving position became available.

Of course...on the subject of 24/7 running...some might argue (not me of course :wink: ) that there is an advantage in double-shifting, in that you get a better standard of 24 hour coverage of the ranks, that is lost under delimitation. The massive increase in vehicles in Ireland for example, has not exactly had the desired effect of drawing people out to work during the hours that were seen to be "neglected".

It could even be argued that renting a vehicle is advantageous to some who chose to rent, who would never have been able to afford/obtain a loan to purchase a £30,000 WAV. There's always an alternate way to view things.

The bottom line is still that public demand and available rank space should be the main criteria in issuing licences.

Demanding that vehicles are single shifted, making licences non-transferrable, or only one per person etc were all things that with hindsight, should have been written into law from the first days of taxi law itself...but it wasn't...and as you've indicated already, the "horse may have already bolted", so to speak.

Those who constantly bleat on about "taxi barons" (who I agree are c**ts...and I'm not suggesting that you did so gusmac) neglect to take into account the fact that many, maybe the majority of the people who suffer disastrous financial loss under delimitation, are "innocent" victims. Single licence holders, who remortgaged and borrowed money to obtain a taxi licence for example. Were they foolish to pay money for something with no guarantee? The answer is probably yes, but I have no desire to see them suffer unnecessarily, just to get at the greedy barons who have abused a system that was obviously imperfect.

All those who say limits should be done by quality, rather than quantity, are hypocrites. A limit is a limit....no matter how it is "manipulated" into place. Until someone comes up with an effective solution to the problems we all face, I personally see no benefit in using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut. The "solutions" offered so far, have not "fixed" anything. So...until the messiah arrives...I'm off to put the kettle on.


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Once the badge has been issued, there is no way to control this.
HC owners soon realise they can make decent money renting to other drivers without actually putting in the hours themselves.
PDQ most of the HCs end up working 24/7 with 2 or 3 drivers. Competition has still increased and you still cant make a decent living.


Drivers would obtain a PHV licence, then convert to Hackney when a licence, or driving position became available.

Of course...on the subject of 24/7 running...some might argue (not me of course :wink: ) that there is an advantage in double-shifting, in that you get a better standard of 24 hour coverage of the ranks, that is lost under delimitation. The massive increase in vehicles in Ireland for example, has not exactly had the desired effect of drawing people out to work during the hours that were seen to be "neglected".

It could even be argued that renting a vehicle is advantageous to some who chose to rent, who would never have been able to afford a loan to purchase a £30,000 WAV. There's always an alternate way to view things.

The bottom line is still that public demand and available rank space should be the main criteria in issuing licences.

Demanding that vehicles are single shifted, making licences non-transferrable, or only one per person etc were all things that with hindsight, should have been written into law from the first days of taxi law itself...but it wasn't...and as you've indicated already, the "horse may have already bolted", so to speak.

Those who constantly bleating on about "taxi barons" (who I agree are c**ts...and I'm not suggesting that you did so gusmac) neglect to take into account the fact that many, maybe the majority of the people who suffer disastrous financial loss under delimitation, are "innocent" victims. Single licence holders, who remortgaged and borrowed money to obtain a taxi licence for example. Were they foolish to pay money for something with no guarantee? The answer is probably yes, but I have no desire to see them suffer unnecessarily, just to get at the greedy barons who have abused a system that was obviously imperfect.

All those who say limits should be done by quality, rather than quantity, are hypocrites. A limit is a limit....no matter how it is "manipulated" into place. Until someone comes up with an effective solution to the problems we all face, I personally see no benefit in using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut. The "solutions" offered so far, have not "fixed" anything. So...until the messiah arrives...I'm off to put the kettle on.


Well said! =D>

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captain cab wrote:
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And you talk for everyone?


Hell no.....but the majority dont :wink:

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Are you suggesting that the majority don't speak out....or that the majority don't allow "anyone" to drive their cars...or that the majority are unable to read, write, or speak English?!! :wink:


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gusmac wrote:
And you talk for everyone?


Hell no.....but the majority dont :wink:

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Are you suggesting that the majority don't speak out....or that the majority don't allow "anyone" to drive their cars...or that the majority are unable to read, write, or speak English?!! :wink:


two out of three aint bad :wink:

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All those who say limits should be done by quality, rather than quantity, are hypocrites. A limit is a limit....no matter how it is "manipulated" into place. Until someone comes up with an effective solution to the problems we all face, I personally see no benefit in using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut. The "solutions" offered so far, have not "fixed" anything. So...until the messiah arrives...I'm off to put the kettle on.


I agree a limit is a limit, but, when you have no limits you are then at the mercy of quality. The quality shouldn't just be placed on the vehicle though it should also include the driver. I also think that unless you have a badge to drive a taxi you don't need a plate for one. 1 badge = 1 plate simple really. It won't get rid of 'plate barons' as they are called cos they could simply rent out an unplated vehicle to a driver telling them they need to get it plated, but, it would mean that the only people renting a vehicle are those that choose to because perhaps they don't want the responsibility of owning their own vehicle. This will also allow some people to get their badge and plate and still rent out their vehicle, but, it will only be one vehicle and no more. It seems simple logic to me but I could be having another of my infamous blonde moments :wink:

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All those who say limits should be done by quality, rather than quantity, are hypocrites. A limit is a limit....no matter how it is "manipulated" into place. Until someone comes up with an effective solution to the problems we all face, I personally see no benefit in using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut. The "solutions" offered so far, have not "fixed" anything. So...until the messiah arrives...I'm off to put the kettle on.


I agree a limit is a limit, but, when you have no limits you are then at the mercy of quality. The quality shouldn't just be placed on the vehicle though it should also include the driver. I also think that unless you have a badge to drive a taxi you don't need a plate for one. 1 badge = 1 plate simple really. It won't get rid of 'plate barons' as they are called cos they could simply rent out an unplated vehicle to a driver telling them they need to get it plated, but, it would mean that the only people renting a vehicle are those that choose to because perhaps they don't want the responsibility of owning their own vehicle. This will also allow some people to get their badge and plate and still rent out their vehicle, but, it will only be one vehicle and no more. It seems simple logic to me but I could be having another of my infamous blonde moments :wink:


Makes a lot of sense to me.

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