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PostPosted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 8:33 am 
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blackpool wrote:
Someone explain to me whats so wrong with restriction then ! How many other areas are in this same situation ?

Because it leads to a situation where the butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker all have plates, but many drivers who actually do the work don't.

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Your way out lads to thats not the point,theres plenty of cabs with drives available here,rent is cheapest its ever been.Attitude ? Me?dont think so.


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Blackpool 2007 survey!

2.5.4 Where local hackney carriage markets are subject to both price and entry regulation, it has commonly been the case that a rent accrues to the ownership of the vehicle licence. This rent or “premium” is difficult to assess accurately as the re-sale of vehicle licences is not encouraged by the Authority. The Authority believes there is a licence premium of around £40,000 in Blackpool at present.


Blackpool 2009 survey!

2.6.6 Where local hackney carriage markets are subject to both price and entry regulation, it has commonly been the case that a rent accrues to the ownership of the vehicle licence. This rent or “premium” is difficult to assess accurately as the re-sale of vehicle licences is not encouraged by the Authority. Anecdotal evidence provided to the authority estimates a licence premium of around £37,000 in Blackpool in 2009.

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1.1 Conclusion
1.1.1 The 2009 study has identified that there is NO evidence of significant unmet demand for hackney carriages in Blackpool. The level of passenger delay at ranks is low, both in absolute terms. This conclusion is based on an assessment of the implications of case law that has emerged since 1986, and the results of Halcrow’s analysis.

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blackpool wrote:
1.1 Conclusion
1.1.1 The 2009 study has identified that there is NO evidence of significant unmet demand for hackney carriages in Blackpool. The level of passenger delay at ranks is low, both in absolute terms. This conclusion is based on an assessment of the implications of case law that has emerged since 1986, and the results of Halcrow’s analysis.

Need i say more ?


You needn't have said that much, we were establishing the cost of a Blackpool plate and trying to answer a question you posed.

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Taxi limit to be imposed



COUNCIL bosses have agreed to impose a limit on the number of Hackney carriage taxi drivers in Chesterfield after complaints from cabbies.

Drivers said rising competition was leading to fewer fares, forcing them to work longer hours and encouraging poor conduct.

Chesterfield Borough Council commissioned a survey which identified there was not a significant demand from people wanting the black cabs and last month it agreed to impose a limit of 110 Hackney Carriage licences.

David Hopton, of Chesterfield Hackney Owners and Drivers Association, said: “This was a momentous day when the council agreed with the Hackney trade that too many licence plates had been issued leaving the town flooded with taxis.

“People in this area have been let down badly by the council and I would implore them to listen to the public, their complaints and suggestions and act on them.”

The council stated it decided in 1995 not to limit the number but insisted all Hackneys be wheel-chair accessible and a 2003 Office of Fair Trading investigation concluded limits were not in the interests of consumers.

The former Government advised against limits, according to the council, unless a local authority could show there was “no unmet demand” which amounted to showing a significantly reduced number of people wanting taxis.

The Association complained increased numbers of Hackney Carriage licences were forcing some drivers to work longer, quote over-inflated fares and take customers on longer routes.

The council has now decided to impose a 110 limit but the existing 178 licenses will only be reduced when holders choose not to renew them.

It said it had not issued too many Hackney Carriage licences and the number would not have risen to 178 unless there was sufficient work, but after the survey identified a reduced demand, decided to impose a limit.

A council spokesman said: “The council could have imposed a limit of 178 but members felt we should use the Office of Fair Trading’s suggested ratio as the basis for imposing a limit of 110.”

http://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/local/


There might be more to this than meets the eye, Chesterfield are on about merging with Bolsover Council District Council making it one Council.

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A council spokesman said: “The council could have imposed a limit of 178 but members felt we should use the Office of Fair Trading’s suggested ratio as the basis for imposing a limit of 110.”

And the point of that is? :?

That it complies with The OFT suggested ratio & you yourself have championed the OFT's blabberings before.

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blackpool wrote:
1.1 Conclusion
1.1.1 The 2009 study has identified that there is NO evidence of significant unmet demand for hackney carriages in Blackpool. The level of passenger delay at ranks is low, both in absolute terms. This conclusion is based on an assessment of the implications of case law that has emerged since 1986, and the results of Halcrow’s analysis.

Need i say more ?

You needn't have said that much, we were establishing the cost of a Blackpool plate and trying to answer a question you posed.

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If you want to buy a chip shop with takings of about £1 million annually, it will probably cost you about £450-500K.

If you want to buy a chip shop for £100K then the annual turnover will probaly be in the region of £200K.

Being a taxi proprietor or a chip shop owner are both businesses!! What's wrong with that?

If the business is worth f*ck all, then the ability to earn will be crap!!!

And that's what de-restriction has done to taxi proprietor businesses nationally!! F*cked the whole game up completely!!!

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Brummie cabbie youve said it all,thanks !


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Do councils regulate the number of chip shops?

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Do councils regulate the number of chip shops?

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well they can, via objections to noise+smell and planning applications and parking problems, etc

a taxi "firm" need only be a phone in a shed though....

a better analogy would be "do councils regulate the number of whitevanmen", again they COULD - on noise and traffic, but hardly when its a 1 man owner driver

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So you like to be the small independan trader ,then bingo tesco open up next door ! Same thing dont need any more competition its bad enough as it is.


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So you like to be the small independan trader ,then bingo tesco open up next door ! Same thing dont need any more competition its bad enough as it is.


but using your business model if i ran a chipshop id tell punters to go and get a chinese if thier order was too big.....

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So you like to be the small independan trader ,then bingo tesco open up next door ! Same thing dont need any more competition its bad enough as it is.


but using your business model if i ran a chipshop id tell punters to go and get a chinese if thier order was too big.....


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Do councils regulate the number of chip shops?

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I would say that depends on how you look at it. They do regulate businesses, but what you should be asking is, do they restrict businesses? For example if I wanted to run a businesses in a major shopping area the chances of me being able to purchase the property I wish to run the business from will be extremely low, unless I'm minted, therefore forcing me to rent, either from the council or the likes of Peel Holdings, at extremely inflated prices. Pubs and clubs are restricted to certain areas and certain hours depending on the areas they are in. The same goes for bookmakers and casinos. There is all kinds of regulation and restriction out there and I for one believe some of it is necessary

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