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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 5:33 pm 
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ok back to square one that makes it an anti T and G site

cos they aint a chance with you 3


Well at least you seem to acknowledge that the debate above has been largely pointless and a waste of time :(

You can charachterise the site's stance whichever way you want, again this is your right, but every publication has an editorial line, and in that regard a humble one like this is no different to the cab trade press or a national newspaper of record like The Times.

You should not be surprised that it will be broadly like-minded people who will get together for a little project like this site, and again to that extent we are no different from any other publication.

But where we differ from Cab Trade News, for example, is that we are happy to carry opinions at odds with our own, and have already done so. Also, anyone has an instant right of reply via the forum. We've also got web links to other publications, sites and forums with views contrary to our own. Links to the two anti-derestriction sites that have sprung up since the OFT report was published have been added to this site within hours of us becoming aware of them, and we will do likewise with any similar sites coming to our notice.

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ok back to square one that makes it an anti T and G site

cos they aint a chance with you 3


I would hope that anyone has a chance, in fact I know they do with me.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2004 4:36 am 
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ok back to square one that makes it an anti T and G site

cos they aint a chance with you 3


Well at least you seem to acknowledge that the debate above has been largely pointless and a waste of time :(

You can charachterise the site's stance whichever way you want, again this is your right, but every publication has an editorial line, and in that regard a humble one like this is no different to the cab trade press or a national newspaper of record like The Times.

You should not be surprised that it will be broadly like-minded people who will get together for a little project like this site, and again to that extent we are no different from any other publication.

But where we differ from Cab Trade News, for example, is that we are happy to carry opinions at odds with our own, and have already done so. Also, anyone has an instant right of reply via the forum. We've also got web links to other publications, sites and forums with views contrary to our own. Links to the two anti-derestriction sites that have sprung up since the OFT report was published have been added to this site within hours of us becoming aware of them, and we will do likewise with any similar sites coming to our notice.

If you don't like it, lump it.

Dusty



hes getting a right nasty little [edited by admin], must be quiet in his manor


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I'm not too sure that's the truth.

However if it was, then why would someone be nasty?

Could it be that they have been banging their heads against a wall, in the dealings with officialdom, and a trade living in the past?

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Not nasty, I would say, but if it is then it's due to months of dealing with just one person.

True to form, if he can't win the argument then he throws abuse, which is why he's abused so many people in the past.

Anyway, it's a bit rich coming from easily the nastiest person on taxi message boards, as this one and several others can testify.

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If we can get back to the T&G response through CTN, I believe that the critisism expressed by TDO is correct, the more worrying thing is that these people (the T&G) claim to represent the cab trade, very worrying indeed!

I wonder if the inland revenue have read the article, or will presumably read the T&G response, if so as the TDO article states, some of us have a lot of money to find, i kinda think our better halves shouldnt find out either! :shock:


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If we can get back to the T&G response through CTN, I believe that the critisism expressed by TDO is correct, the more worrying thing is that these people (the T&G) claim to represent the cab trade, very worrying indeed!

I wonder if the inland revenue have read the article, or will presumably read the T&G response, if so as the TDO article states, some of us have a lot of money to find, i kinda think our better halves shouldnt find out either! :shock:


Thank you Captain for bringing us back to the topic's heading.

Now just imagine when you, I, or any of our colleagues go into a council to ask for a fare increase, what's going to get thrown at us all. :( :( :(

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If we can get back to the T&G response through CTN, I believe that the critisism expressed by TDO is correct, the more worrying thing is that these people (the T&G) claim to represent the cab trade, very worrying indeed!

I wonder if the inland revenue have read the article, or will presumably read the T&G response, if so as the TDO article states, some of us have a lot of money to find, i kinda think our better halves shouldnt find out either! :shock:


Thank you Captain for bringing us back to the topic's heading.

Now just imagine when you, I, or any of our colleagues go into a council to ask for a fare increase, what's going to get thrown at us all. :( :( :(



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why would a private hire man go to the council to ask for a fare rise?


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why would a private hire man go to the council to ask for a fare rise?


I wondered how long it would take the ill-informed to comment.

So would you expect me not to support the HC trade when they want a reasonable increase, do you think that's sensible?

Who has been the biggest supporter of a fare formula on TDO?

If you opened your eyes occasionally you would see that in areas were HC fares are higer than the average, so are PH fares. :shock:

But hey that's not the point of the comment, it's trying to get this thread away from the flawed logic of the past.

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But hey that's not the point of the comment, it's trying to get this thread away from the flawed logic of the past.


I think your spot on with that comment flawed logic, the trade needs to seriously look at its future, because quite simply if the CTN statement is the T&G's new policy we aint got a future, well with the T&G anyway.

The trade cannot be seen to put up barriers disbarring entry or indeed to be in favour of such barriers.

The OFT should have been an opportunity to open a debate into the trades future, instead elements of the trade, who are selfishly defending their plate values, are hijacking the whole scenario. Not that I blame them.

The saddest part is that all of the energy used to discredit the OFT study could have been used positively and for the long term benefit of the entire trade.

I wonder how many of these people who have crawled out of the woodwork since the OFT study was published will return to their former ways after the government announcement. just where will our national representatives be then? I think this was commented on in the trade press.

The thought also occurs, that if the advocates for the T&G policy cant stand critisism on here, the are going to be really in the [edited by admin] when the OFT or government start to question them.


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But hey that's not the point of the comment, it's trying to get this thread away from the flawed logic of the past.
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I think your spot on with that comment flawed logic, the trade needs to seriously look at its future, because quite simply if the CTN statement is the T&G's new policy we aint got a future, well with the T&G anyway.

The trade cannot be seen to put up barriers disbarring entry or indeed to be in favour of such barriers.

The OFT should have been an opportunity to open a debate into the trades future, instead elements of the trade, who are selfishly defending their plate values, are hijacking the whole scenario. Not that I blame them.

The saddest part is that all of the energy used to discredit the OFT study could have been used positively and for the long term benefit of the entire trade.

I wonder how many of these people who have crawled out of the woodwork since the OFT study was published will return to their former ways after the government announcement. just where will our national representatives be then? I think this was commented on in the trade press.

The thought also occurs, that if the advocates for the T&G policy cant stand critisism on here, the are going to be really in the [edited by admin] when the OFT or government start to question them.



lets get this clear, I do not aggree with Tand G stance on the report, no way.

but I feel that thier bias and the sites bias against them is not helpfull.

news should be factual and opinions in the e-mails but that I have already said.


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lets get this clear, I do not aggree with Tand G stance on the report, no way.

but I feel that thier bias and the sites bias against them is not helpfull.

news should be factual and opinions in the e-mails but that I have already said.


The thing is Mr Guest I'm still waiting for someone to point out the errors of the article.

It's no good having a pop at the article in the way it was written, without having a pop at the substance.

I mean do you earn £55,000 a year?

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I think your spot on with that comment flawed logic, the trade needs to seriously look at its future, because quite simply if the CTN statement is the T&G's new policy we aint got a future, well with the T&G anyway.


The problem with CTN is that it's used to flag wave how good the T&G Cab Section are, not to be a Cab Trade Newspaper.

If CTN stuck to exactly what was happening around the country, instead of what some of their activists wished was happening, then I believe it would be more credible.

Take their latest crusade at Watford station. Apparently it has been taken over by a PH firm, and the T&G are up in arms about it.

But is this the same T&G who's members in Brighton wish also to keep other HC drivers out of Brighton station, because they want it to themselves?

Haven't seen that story in CTN. :?

But back to Watford. If you look at the T&G website, you will see an old press release from the Cab section saying how successful their plan at Watford was, in they all agreed not to pay to ply the station.

They may well be right, and asking for payment is perhaps wrong. But charging is legal, and as the HC boys didn't want to stump up, the PH boys did.

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I take your point Mr Guest, but dont agree that this site is biased.

If it were biased i dont think that you'd have been allowed your comments.

The oft response by the T&G is flawed, no disrespect to anyone who has commented on the article so far, but do you not think that those "wise" people who sit in bodies such as the inland revenue, oft, licensing departments etc will pick up on and more importantly believe what the T&G article stated.

I think that the comments passed so far have been pretty well thought out and are fairly relative to the issue.

For a body to have the gall to promote itself in such a highly explosive issue is pure arrogance, not only to their membership but to every cab driver in the country.

My own opinion is that the T&G are sitting on the fence, being seen to support the people who want to retain plate values, but at the same time realising that if things turn to ratshit they can further promote their single tier system. A win win situation.

But then I thought their was another gunman on the grassy knoll


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