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It also contains some mathematics & formulae that are not that easy to follow.

The maths they use are very highbrow, which in effect hampers any chance that folks like you and me have at breaking them down. :sad:

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The formulae would be central to a court case and their disclosure would almost certainly be ordered if a substantial challenge was launched, IMHO.


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If there are 182 people on the waiting list and they are going to issue 4 plates a year, the people at the bottom of the list are going to have to wait 45 years to get a plate. So if you go on the list when you are 20 years old, you will be retired before you get one. :lol:

The Halcrow survey dictated that York needed 15 plates to meet the unmet demand, which were issued to people on the waiting list, the Council in their wisdom decided to issue two more plates every six months for two years to meet the growing population within the city, after this time another survey would be carried out and should show that there is no unmet demand, so the area is still restricted, and there will still be a waiting list,there was also some conditions attached to the new plates that were issued which were, the vehicle had to be a side loading WAV that conformed to Euro 4 emission standards, once the survey shows no unmet demand, no more plates will be issued so there will still be a waiting list that gets longer every day as you would expect when something is being given away free.

Halcrow surveys usually now have a recommendation to issue a set number of Hackney Licenses if their survey shows that there is an Unmet Demand.



And nobody has ever challenged their formulae, reasonings or calculations, and without a challenge, what Halcrow are saying is ..... well we have conducted a survey, found that there is an Unmet Demand, calculated that the issue of x number of Hackney Licenses will satisfy that Unmet Demand, & recommend that the Council issue that number of plates over y months or immediately or whatever.



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We tried to challenge their findings but we were informe that the formula they use is their copyright and not available, we also asked the see the sheets they use to collect the raw data, again they said dataprotection prevented this, we hired Gerald Grisdale who is a very good analyst and he tore their evidence to shreds, however they said without the raw data which they could not, sorry would not supply there was no substance to his findings, they say that they are prepared to go to court but if they will not supply all the required evidence they cannot lose.

Would you be entitled to the information if you applied to Halcrow for the information you require from them as a request under The Freedom of Information Act?

Just a thought.

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It also contains some mathematics & formulae that are not that easy to follow.

The maths they use are very highbrow, which in effect hampers any chance that folks like you and me have at breaking them down. :sad:

You could challenge the maths by employing a university maths professor as an expert witness in a court case.

But how many cabbies have such deep pockets?

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The system doesnt seem transparent and my one suggestion would be for the trade to oppose Halcrow being commissioned in the future.

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The problem is that they are, by far and away, the market leaders in these surveys.

Who else is there except SRA who did the Brum survey in 2007/2008 & b*llsed it up.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
It also contains some mathematics & formulae that are not that easy to follow.

The maths they use are very highbrow, which in effect hampers any chance that folks like you and me have at breaking them down. :sad:

You could challenge the maths by employing a university maths professor as an expert witness in a court case.

But how many cabbies have such deep pockets?


What is Carol Vorderman up to these days?

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Would you be entitled to the information if you applied to Halcrow for the information you require from them as a request under The Freedom of Information Act?

They are not an authority that's has to let us see all their secrets. :sad:

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
You could challenge the maths by employing a university maths professor as an expert witness in a court case.

The professor would be able to dissect the formula, but does that take us anywhere?
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But how many cabbies have such deep pockets?

None.

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If anyone actually did manage to debunk the survey, then the council has no demand information upon which to refuse any application.
I know what that means in Scotland. Does it mean the same thing in York?

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