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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 8:46 pm 
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Tom Thumb wrote:
They are probably faced with the same reality as every taxi office I know;

A chronic shortage of drivers

My office is like every other in the country at this moment with phones ringing unanswered and jobs being declined.


I suspect the two reasons for this nationally are;
1) Not earning enough.
2) Not safe enough.

I think will could all (in time) sort out reason 1.

As for reason 2, can't see it happening. I really wish I could.

Oh, and Stab and Knifing Monthly doesn't help. :?

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I also don't think DSA is particularly beneficial. We employ our own driver training guy and anyone can drive well enough to pass an assessment.

Drivers line my pockets, yes, But I line theirs!


That's the problem Tom, you don't run all the firms in the country.

I would like to see something like the DSA nationally, then all HC/PH drivers would reach the high standards that some firms adhere too.

Too many firms, in too many councils, adopt the lowest common denominator in terms of standards.

Thus the good can't compete with the bad. :(

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Tom Thumb wrote:
I also don't think DSA is particularly beneficial. We employ our own driver training guy and anyone can drive well enough to pass an assessment.

Drivers line my pockets, yes, But I line theirs!


That's the problem Tom, you don't run all the firms in the country.

I would like to see something like the DSA nationally, then all HC/PH drivers would reach the high standards that some firms adhere too.

Too many firms, in too many councils, adopt the lowest common denominator in terms of standards.

Thus the good can't compete with the bad. :(


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That's the problem, it's all down to price.

The same applies to the worst circuits, with the worst drivers.

Those of us that wish to do the job right, lose out to short sighted customers.

But the fault for the rubbish is shared three ways, between customers who don't give a poo, circuits that don't give a poo, and councils who don't give a poo.

I'm not sure which is worse, but the buck should really stop at the council's front door.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 4:54 am 
Sussex Man wrote:
Tom Thumb wrote:
I also don't think DSA is particularly beneficial. We employ our own driver training guy and anyone can drive well enough to pass an assessment.

Drivers line my pockets, yes, But I line theirs!


That's the problem Tom, you don't run all the firms in the country.

I would like to see something like the DSA nationally, then all HC/PH drivers would reach the high standards that some firms adhere too.

Too many firms, in too many councils, adopt the lowest common denominator in terms of standards.

Thus the good can't compete with the bad. :(



Sorry but I don't believe that a office would struggle for drivers if it looked after the one's it had and provided them with a decent standard of living.

I have ran 3 offices and never lost a driver to another firm.

Maybe its time to think of the driver, cause if your area deregulates they might well decide to go H/C, or if your area has delimited that could explain why your losing drivers.

With that in mind, are you still going to back the OFT's blinkered findings.

B. Lucky :twisted:


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 4:58 am 
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I like the one about cherry picking the best, Mick
they have never cherry picked you? :oops:



Oh but I have been Mr Guest, and I have exceeded expectations every time.

Who's this Mick bloke anyway.

B. Lucky :twisted:


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 5:04 am 
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with renewals you must give a licence unless there has been a change in fitness of character.

a court will not understand all things being equal why a driver is fit to drive today but not tommorow.

existing drivers must be given grandfather rights.


But wait just a minute, legislation calls for health examinations where a driver can be licensed when he attends the examination but if he was to fail the medical he could have his "taxi" licence revoked whilst retaining his driving licence.

Or are you against it because you don't believe you would pass.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 5:28 am 
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Sussex Man wrote:
Tom Thumb wrote:
I also don't think DSA is particularly beneficial. We employ our own driver training guy and anyone can drive well enough to pass an assessment.

Drivers line my pockets, yes, But I line theirs!


That's the problem Tom, you don't run all the firms in the country.

I would like to see something like the DSA nationally, then all HC/PH drivers would reach the high standards that some firms adhere too.

Too many firms, in too many councils, adopt the lowest common denominator in terms of standards.

Thus the good can't compete with the bad. :(



Sorry but I don't believe that a office would struggle for drivers if it looked after the one's it had and provided them with a decent standard of living.

I have ran 3 offices and never lost a driver to another firm.

Maybe its time to think of the driver, cause if your area deregulates they might well decide to go H/C, or if your area has delimited that could explain why your losing drivers.

With that in mind, are you still going to back the OFT's blinkered findings.

B. Lucky :twisted:



yes Mick very good guy, why arnet you running an office now?
you fall out with em dont you?


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 5:29 am 
Gateshead Angel wrote:
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I like the one about cherry picking the best, Mick
they have never cherry picked you? :oops:



Oh but I have been Mr Guest, and I have exceeded expectations every time.

Who's this Mick bloke anyway.

B. Lucky :twisted:


then why all the moaning?


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 5:36 am 
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Anonymous wrote:
with renewals you must give a licence unless there has been a change in fitness of character.

a court will not understand all things being equal why a driver is fit to drive today but not tommorow.

existing drivers must be given grandfather rights.


But wait just a minute, legislation calls for health examinations where a driver can be licensed when he attends the examination but if he was to fail the medical he could have his "taxi" licence revoked whilst retaining his driving licence.

Or are you against it because you don't believe you would pass.

B. Lucky :twisted:


you were talking of drivers tests? so you change the subject
I said all things being equal remember?

another argument lost!

supposing someone turned round to yor licensing officer and said
"nowthen youve been in post for 17 years and lots has changed pass this exam or you are sacked" how many minutes afore a strike?

as a T and G I would have liked you to represent the best interests of present incumbants not drive them out of a job.

now Brother, I stick by what I said, perhaps in Gatehead reading tests may be a good thing?

a council has to be both fair and reasonable what you said brother was neither.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 6:19 am 
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yes Mick very good guy, why arnet you running an office now?
you fall out with em dont you?


I have no interest to, and I could work for any of the offices I managed so I don't know where you get that I fall out with them all Geoff.

B. Lucky :twisted:


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 6:22 am 
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you were talking of drivers tests? so you change the subject
I said all things being equal remember?

another argument lost!


When was the argument Geoff, I certainly wasn't having one. All I wanted to point out was that any tests should be accross the board if they are to be fair. And here's me thinking you were all for fairness.

B. Lucky :twisted:


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 6:28 am 
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supposing someone turned round to yor licensing officer and said
"nowthen youve been in post for 17 years and lots has changed pass this exam or you are sacked" how many minutes afore a strike?


But if they were in-effective or adopting a un-professional approach they wouldn't be in the job for very long.

If anyone was to be tested after doing a job for 17 years I don't think that they would have any problems passing a test. Unless of course thay hadn't been doing the job right since they started.

B. Lucky :twisted:


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 6:34 am 
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Anonymous wrote:
supposing someone turned round to yor licensing officer and said
"nowthen youve been in post for 17 years and lots has changed pass this exam or you are sacked" how many minutes afore a strike?


But if they were in-effective or adopting a un-professional approach they wouldn't be in the job for very long.

If anyone was to be tested after doing a job for 17 years I don't think that they would have any problems passing a test. Unless of course thay hadn't been doing the job right since they started.

B. Lucky :twisted:


BULL [edited by admin]

our council set on a work study officer, give him a clip board and was told to wait half an hour whilst the trainer returned.

37 years later he was still walking round with a clip board waiting for the trainer to come back!

he said at his retirement the job board him.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 6:36 am 
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as a T and G I would have liked you to represent the best interests of present incumbants not drive them out of a job.

now Brother, I stick by what I said, perhaps in Gatehead reading tests may be a good thing?

a council has to be both fair and reasonable what you said brother was neither.


So now I'm not allowed an opinion. Think very carefully Geoff about what you are saying mate.

As far as the T&G are concerned, I have no idea what the Cab Section would make of MY views on this subject, that doesn't bother me, raising standards will have a positive effect on the professional taxi driver.

If this did become an issue however, I would represent the members of our branch by taking the majority's views into the council, leaving my own personal views in the house.

How hypocritical it is of you that you quote "union" viewpoint when it suits you but when the "union" is being berated you crawl under that rock you love to hide under. "brother" is it, yeah yeah

B. Lucky :twisted:


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