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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:47 pm 
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You missed two very important associations out.. who have a great deal of input ?


Oh come on, you're just teasing me tonight :evil:


Not teasing you, just making you think, apart from trade organisations , what other associations think they know what is best for the public were

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Ah, so it's not trade associations - I think the implication in your original question was that you were referring to trade associations [-(

But I'm not too au fait with the disabled lobby - which is presumably what you're getting at - so perhaps you could enlighten me?

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Ah, so it's not trade associations - I think the implication in your original question was that you were referring to trade associations [-(

But I'm not too au fait with the disabled lobby - which is presumably what you're getting at - so perhaps you could enlighten me?


But I'm not too au fait with the disabled lobby ,,Their influencers are certainly there, but not them. eusasmiles.zip

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There are no laws that can force private hire to have wheelchair accessible vehicles, but may be it s a line that should now be strongly presented to the Ministry for Transport backed by all national associations, the disabled after all should be able to phone the local private hire and be provided with vehicles suitable to their needs :wink:


By the way, since of course the NTA believes in local decisions by local people based on local needs, that would rule them out.

And I can't see the NPHA being interested somehow.

So by 'national associations' you must mean the GMB and T&G :lol:


Oh you'd be surprised, we do all get on rather splendidly you know Image

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It has become obvious to people in high places that simply deregulating the Hackney Trade will not supply enough wheelchair accessible vehicles to meet the demands of a certain lobby :wink:

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MR T wrote:
There are no laws that can force private hire to have wheelchair accessible vehicles, but may be it s a line that should now be strongly presented to the Ministry for Transport backed by all national associations, the disabled after all should be able to phone the local private hire and be provided with vehicles suitable to their needs :wink:


I dissagree, private hire are not public hackney carriages and as such they should be allowed to use whatever vehcile they choose for private work. Its not the fault of Private hire that councils don't license enough WAVS to service the public need.

The fault lies with those authorities that restrict numbers as is clearly the case in Brighton. If it was Liverpool London or Manchester the situation would simply not arise.

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JD wrote:
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There are no laws that can force private hire to have wheelchair accessible vehicles, but may be it s a line that should now be strongly presented to the Ministry for Transport backed by all national associations, the disabled after all should be able to phone the local private hire and be provided with vehicles suitable to their needs :wink:


I dissagree, private hire are not public hackney carriages and as such they should be allowed to use whatever vehcile they choose for private work. Its not the fault of Private hire that councils don't license enough WAVS to service the public need.

The fault lies with those authorities that restrict numbers as is clearly the case in Brighton. If it was Liverpool London or Manchester the situation would simply not arise.

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I agree with you,: fortunately others don't, and they are a very powerful lobby

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I agree with you,: fortunately others don't, and they are a very powerful lobby


Just to be awkward, I disagree with the pair of you :shock:

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That should have read unfortunately :oops:

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If PH had to be WAVs, then that would wipe out 75% of London's LPH.

A cause for celebration for the likes of Mr GBC, but a return to the bad old days of the un-licensed night-mare.

We are also trying to bring in the stretch limos and fire-engines into the licensing world, try making them WAVs.

But say council A said all it's PH had to be WAVs. Unless B, C, D etc etc followed suit, then all the PH would license there, yet still work council A.

The gov have decided what's going to happen, 100% HC WAVs. Good people can discuss this and that, but 100% HC WAVs it will be. :wink:

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If PH had to be WAVs, then that would wipe out 75% of London's LPH.


So in otherwords 25% of Londons PH trade see it as worthy of investment whilst 75% dont?

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The gov have decided what's going to happen, 100% HC WAVs. Good people can discuss this and that, but 100% HC WAVs it will be. :wink:


The government have decided no such thing ............. your rumours are just your usual scaremongering tactic.

The real disabled groups do not want 100% WAV as not all disabled people are confined to or use a wheelchair and a fair proportion of them struggle to use a WAV prefering a saloon type vehicle.

In one thread on here JD is insisting on driver choice and I had to point out that the most important factor was customer choice ............ and making all vehicles WAV restricts customer vehicle choice and removes in some cases their own specific requirements.

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The gov have decided what's going to happen, 100% HC WAVs. Good people can discuss this and that, but 100% HC WAVs it will be.


I think you'll find. that it is starting to dawn on certain people that by implementing such a rule, that in effect it will discriminate against the very people it is meant to help, not every disability is suited to a wheelchair accessible vehicle, it might well mean that they have to go back and rethink, a mixed fleet answers all Needs, if they were to relook at the 76 Act and make a few changes, you might find that private hire also come into this .

when you say equal rights, it means equal, when you say Transport's it means all transport,

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The gov have decided what's going to happen, 100% HC WAVs. Good people can discuss this and that, but 100% HC WAVs it will be.


Funny you should say that, I have in my hand a piece of paper :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:47 pm 
City’s disabled to gain as 20 cabs swell ranks

Twenty new taxis are to hit the streets of Brighton and Hove to tackle a dearth of wheelchair-accessible cabs in the city.

But the GMB union branded the decision a betrayal of the disabled as 150 vehicles are needed to meet current demand from those in wheelchairs.

Brighton and Hove City Council voted yesterday not to lift limits on the number of taxis.

The city's private-hire association believed deregulation of the market would ease queues at ranks, lead to shorter waiting times and increase the number of wheelchairaccessible taxis.

The GMB has called for 35 new Hackney Carriages each year. Instead, 20 licences will be issued now and the council will to introduce five extra taxis each year. Councillors acknowledged that not enough had been done to tackle the problem.

In three years since the last taxi survey, the number of vehicles needed to meet demand from those in wheelchairs has increased despite dozens of new accessible cabs being introduced.

A £20,000 report commissioned by the council, which was presented to the licensing committee, suggested a further 150 vehicles were required.

Terry Flanagan, GMB branch secretary for professional drivers, said at five taxis a year, it would take 30 years for the city to meet the need of those in wheelchairs.

He said: "The disabled are being left out on a limb and it is a betrayal."

Karen Coley, of the Disabled Access Advisory Group, said the granting of extra licences would only work if these taxis were out on the streets and willing to do the jobs - something she feared was not the case at the moment.

She said: "It is a good decision but it has been raised before and it will work if all of the taxis are out there. It is not possible for a disabled, wheelchairbound person to just call up a taxi on the spur of the moment."

Committee Chairwoman Jeanne Lepper said: "We have managed growth over the years which has led to a fantastic taxi fleet. A significant increase in the fleet would put that in doubt."

Representatives of the taxi trade refused to comment after the meeting.


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