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Brummie Cabbie · **Posted:** Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:03 pm

JD wrote:

I suppose reps are not infallible just like every other human being but careful study of the legislation should have told your rep that his assumption was incorrect. The case law appertaining to both the transfer and renewal of a license can be found on TDO under the cases of R v Weymouth and Warriner v York. The York scenario might not be all that reliable until it is tested at a higher level but councils wishing to mimic York will no doubt take a little comfort from this case because I can't recall any other case refuting this judgment.

http://taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=31510

http://taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3790

Thanks for that JD.

I have found Warriner v York City Council easily enough, but can't find Regina v Weymouth anywhere, even on the Internet.

Your help please!

JD · **Joined:** Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:53 pm **Posts:** 10381

I posted you two links, the first is the Weymouth case, the second is the Warriner case.

Regards

JD

Sussex · **Posted:** Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:57 pm

Brummie Cabbie wrote:

Please explain how earning a reasonably decent living, working reasonable hours would not incure some sort of plate value?

I suspect there are 10s of 1000s of drivers doing exactly the above in areas that don't have plate values.

And what has hard work got to do with a monopoly?

Sussex · **Posted:** Sun Jun 29, 2008 8:58 pm

Brummie Cabbie wrote:

Is that the case in your area or are you advocating that plates should not be transferable (which would require a change in the law)?

I have no problem with plates being transferred, just don't want taxis numbers restricted.

Brummie Cabbie · **Posted:** Mon Jun 30, 2008 1:03 pm

Sussex wrote:

I suspect there are 10s of 1000s of drivers doing exactly the above in areas that don't have plate values.

And what has hard work got to do with a monopoly?

You must work in a utopian neck of the woods. I wish it was that way in Brum.

We've actually got plate value again in Brum even though we have had de-restriction since 1996 & will probably continue to have for the forseeable future. Except our plate values are 'in reverse'. The whole thing has turned full circle. Let me explain.

What has now happened in Brum is that we are now so swamped with Hackneys (& PHVs) that those now coming into the Hackney trade & wanting a free issue, quickly realise that they will not be able to earn enough, even working 14-16 hour days, 6/7 days a week to pay the 'monkey' on a brand new HCV. Remember, Birmingham has a quality policy of new HCV licence must have a new vehicle.

Not being able to afford a new vehicle to collect their free issue plate, they then go into the market & buy old plated Hackneys. R reg plated Hackney £6-7K down to M reg plated Hackney £4-5K. That is quality control & full de-restriction for you. Obviously there is no plate value on HC vehicle that are nearly new.

Are Hackney licence numbers controlled in your area? What policies does your council have to limit numbers other that by restricting the numbers for restrictions sake?

'... hard work got to do with a monopoly?' Please explain.

Sussex · **Posted:** Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:09 pm

Brummie Cabbie wrote:

'... hard work got to do with a monopoly?' Please explain.

If plates are restricted then the plate premium has everything to do with a closed shop, and nothing to do with hard work, or goodwill.

As my good friend Mr Bellamy said in the Royden case. :wink:

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