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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:47 pm 
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That sounds like the best thing I've heard concerning training/qualifications.

A qualification, IMHO, should include:

Driving test to IAM/RoSPA standards.
Stringent knowledge test.
English/maths to at least 11-plus standard.
Customer service training to a high standard, (I'm thinking of the financial services courses I attended)
A detailed knowledge of the TPC and LGMP Acts and leading case law.
A good theoretical knowledge of the workings of a 'standard' vehicle and it's equipment.

An exam in each of the modules to 'O' level conditions.

If that is delivered professionally to a standard, rather than a budget, you will get the world's most professional and profitable taxi service.

Deregulation/restriction will become an argument of the past because the entry standards would be so high.

Anyone wish to argue with such a proposal? :evil: :evil: :oops: :lol: :lol:


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Then we come to the most harmful member of the taxi society, the baron, he never drives instead he simply buys up as many cars as possible and lets others do the hard work, I don't know if it still exists but we had a system where you could only obtain one licence years ago, i.e you had a licence and you drove the car, but this was loopholed and bypassed in the end by the baron's, another term that has been allowed to die off is the rule that the holder shall drive a minimum of hours per week, a man who owns 25 car's cannot possible do this can he, if the rules had been adhered to and it really was one man one plate both for PH and HC you would have a better unabused system in place.


This is the only thing I agree with you about. :shock:
1 car ,one owner driver period. owners would then choose there hours as they cannot work 27/7 then there would always be a chance for all to earn a crust

In areas that restrict hack numbers, the PH take over, and they thrive because some council insist on wavs only as hacks and quite a lot of people dont like them so phone a PH,1, for comfort, and 2 because they are cheaper in the areas that dont have meters fitted.
Councils that insist on wav hacks only should conduct a survey on how many potential wheelchair users there actually are in there area, to save hack owners paying through the nose for a wav that very possibly will not be used for its purpose
Councils should also licence saloons as hacks to give the public a choice of vehicle, (that may come in the DDA report)
There should be a minimum age at which councils will licence a hack or PH, but once licenced that vehicle can stay on as long as the owner wants or is replaced.




Well for once skippy 41 I find myself agreeing with you. :shock: :shock:

No driver can work 27/7. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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cabbyman wrote:
That sounds like the best thing I've heard concerning training/qualifications.

A qualification, IMHO, should include:

Driving test to IAM/RoSPA standards.
Stringent knowledge test.
English/maths to at least 11-plus standard.
Customer service training to a high standard, (I'm thinking of the financial services courses I attended)
A detailed knowledge of the TPC and LGMP Acts and leading case law.
A good theoretical knowledge of the workings of a 'standard' vehicle and it's equipment.

An exam in each of the modules to 'O' level conditions.

If that is delivered professionally to a standard, rather than a budget, you will get the world's most professional and profitable taxi service.

Deregulation/restriction will become an argument of the past because the entry standards would be so high.

Anyone wish to argue with such a proposal? :evil: :evil: :oops: :lol: :lol:


I think also some disability awareness & book keeping skills would be handy too. My other questions would be are you prepared to pay for such a course, who should take the course and who exactly do you propose delivers the course?

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Well done, Toots.

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Book-keeping.
Tax return.
DDA.

The course should be administered by, say, a national association. Initial entry is at student level, full entry to associate level would be achieved on passing the necessary exams. One could become a fellow after x years of full membership.

The association would set the curriculum and determine the standards to be delivered by colleges nationwide. The student would meet the costs. Studentship would be limited to a set period of time, after which membership expires.

The London trade are part way there with 3 years(?) knowledge study, then you either pass or go elsewhere.

Existing practitioners could be exempted from certain modules according to experience.

Insurance and badges would only be granted unconditionally to associates and above. Students could have restricted cover and licensing, say, daylight hours, restricted ranks, etc.,

This model has been working in the professions for years, eg, solicitors, surveyors, valuers, auctioneers, bankers, doctors, clergy, etc.

It would be tough, but it would be professional......and radical!


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The 'private tutors' could well be local businesses

I would guess they are national scammers.

Thankfully, if what I've heard is correct, the DfT and GoSkills are going to approve a trade led qualification, which hopefully will mean all the money stays in the trade, and the scammers can go away. :D

That said, I suspect the biggest supporters of this new approved system will be the ones making the most money out of it. :roll:

I think, that the cab trade need to park a few tanks on their lawns .... it just might make them think... 8)

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I forgot:

First aid.

Come on, nobody biting?

CC, Sussex,.....Right for you to debate?


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It's not for biting, the whole purpose is to get everyone in the same thread with opinions, then later we can pick through things and then poll up a best solution that hopefully suits all, one thing we must remember though is one man's Stella is another's Tesco homebrand Lager, what will work for one won't for another, local conditions have a large part to play in it.


Anyway, I'm liking the education suggestion's, but it will fail because someone will threaten the council that they are being kept out in the same way they do now under restriction's, as this is a PC world now and even though someone can fail test's they will still get in under appeal.

I heard an interesting rumour a few days ago concerning my LO, the story goes when someone of Ethnic background fails they pass them anyway because in todays world they can't afford to fail them and risk court action, or they've been instructed to do so from above, I'm unsure which it was but it was one of the two, and before anyone plays the race game I'm purely passing on info I've heard, nothing more nothing less, and you'll understand why if you got in one of the non English speaking ones car and ended up paying £25 for an £11 ride because he neither understood where you asked for or how to get there, I wouldn't tollerate a caucasion driver who was that bad so I don't expect to have to make exceptions for others regardless of where they came from.


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yeh but its handy if there ethnic.

you do have a way of telling them in a non prejudicial manner mr doom. :lol: youre so pc


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yeh but its handy if there ethnic.

you do have a way of telling them in a non prejudicial manner mr doom. :lol: youre so pc



I'm glad you dropped in in a way Ali, you've just proved to everyone who and what you really are, I set this thread up to get ppl together to have their say on the trade and put suggestions forward, and all that matters to you is to post your racism accusations towards me.

Now, if you have anything sensible that's not going to degrade into the world vs Ali debate, please do so, if not stay in the Scotttish section and keep out of this thread in particular.

If you have anymore to say PM me, please do not wreck the thread, it's managed 3 pages of sensible chat so far and I'd like it to continue to do so.


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No driver can work 27/7. :lol: :lol: :lol:

They can't work 24/4 either!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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cabbyman wrote:

Anyone wish to argue with such a proposal? :evil: :evil: :oops: :lol: :lol:


No, provided there's no grandfather rights :lol:

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I forgot:

First aid.

Come on, nobody biting?


No First Aid kit nor Fire Extinguisher in Brum licensed vehicle now!!!!

:) :) :)

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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First aid.

Come on, nobody biting?


No First Aid kit nor Fire Extinguisher in Brum licensed vehicle now!!!!

:) :) :)


seriously :?:

I can visualise using the first aid kit, but if the car catches fire will I be reaching for my extinguisher? Will I fack. I'll be the one furthest away from the flames, in the shortest time
:lol: :lol:

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seriously :?:

I can visualise using the first aid kit, but if the car catches fire will I be reaching for my extinguisher? Will I fack. I'll be the one furthest away from the flames, in the shortest time
:lol: :lol:


The first aid kit is for your use only though :wink: as for the fire extinguisher.....aint that for threatening passengers with?

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
cabbyman wrote:
I forgot:

First aid.

Come on, nobody biting?


No First Aid kit nor Fire Extinguisher in Brum licensed vehicle now!!!!

:) :) :)


seriously :?:

I can visualise using the first aid kit, but if the car catches fire will I be reaching for my extinguisher? Will I fack. I'll be the one furthest away from the flames, in the shortest time
:lol: :lol:

YES! VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY!!!

First Aid kits have not been in Brum licensed vehicles for almost 10 years now. The thinking behind it is that a driver using a First Aid kit, even a driver trained in First Aid, could be open to litigation if he treated a passenger for cut, injury, whatever & it was later found that he had done so negligently or incorrectly. And the driver is not insured to give or provide First Aid.

The Fire Extinguisher requirement was removed about five years ago, after strong advice from the Chief Fire Officer not to tackle any vehicle fire, but to immediately evacuate the vehicle of passengers & driver & call the Fire Service.

Also, the most common vehicle fires occur under the bonnet. (TX4 are a prime example). Most drivers would take a fire extinguisher in hand & open the bonnet to tackle the fire. All this does is allow vast quantities of oxygen into the compartment & the fire erupts into a ball of flame, with possible injury to the driver.

The correct proceedure is to pop the bonnet open on the catch & try & spray the fire extinguisher through the small opening, but unless you have a very powerful extinguisher or high pressure hose, you are literally 'p*ssing in the wind'. It really is a waste of time. As the Fire Extinguishers supplied in cabs are too small for such a fire, again the Fire Service guidance was, don't tackle the fire, evacuate, stand well clear, call the Fire Service.

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