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Gusmac can I ask have you visited many areas where delimiation has already taken place?


Yes.
Mostly they just lift the cap and don't bother with any quality controls.
That's usually because the trade spend all their time trying to stop the limit being lifted, instead of pushing for checks and balances.
Then they get surprised when hundreds of new cabs appear.
If you allow anyone to have a badge and a plate, you will get a disaster.
Delimiting works but only if it's done right.

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for a system to work well.. you need a balance of owner drivers, shift drivers. :mrgreen:


Agreed.
What that balance is should be decided by the drivers though, not the barons.
Gusmac... it should be decided by both.....


That is difficult to do when the driver has little choice but to rent from the baron.
most of the Scots lads I know.... don't share your negativity...... may be a bit of backbone would help. eusasmiles.zip

Nothing negative about me T. I'm not the one defending the barracades.
Also, as I'm sure you are aware, most parasites have no backbone. :wink:
Firstly you should never speak of your fellow drivers as parasites.. that might be your opinion of them but not mine.... and as for defending barricades.... just empty words, with nothing positive about them.

Your not a fellow driver T, you are a baron. Also you implied I am in need of a backbone.
If you choose to resort to insults, that's your choice.
Don't be surprised if you recieve responses in kind.

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Gusmac can I ask have you visited many areas where delimiation has already taken place?


Yes.
Mostly they just lift the cap and don't bother with any quality controls.
That's usually because the trade spend all their time trying to stop the limit being lifted, instead of pushing for checks and balances.
Then they get surprised when hundreds of new cabs appear.
If you allow anyone to have a badge and a plate, you will get a disaster.
Delimiting works but only if it's done right.


There isn't a system in place for it to be done right. I don't agree with limitation but it is certainly the lesser of the two evils and until such a time that it is the ability of the driver as well as the quality of the vehicle I wouldn't support delimitation. As you are no doubt aware the area I work was delimited in 2002 with quality controls in place and it hasn't worked, there are simply too many HC's

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Gusmac can I ask have you visited many areas where delimiation has already taken place?


Yes.
Mostly they just lift the cap and don't bother with any quality controls.
That's usually because the trade spend all their time trying to stop the limit being lifted, instead of pushing for checks and balances.
Then they get surprised when hundreds of new cabs appear.
If you allow anyone to have a badge and a plate, you will get a disaster.
Delimiting works but only if it's done right.


There isn't a system in place for it to be done right. I don't agree with limitation but it is certainly the lesser of the two evils and until such a time that it is the ability of the driver as well as the quality of the vehicle I wouldn't support delimitation. As you are no doubt aware the area I work was delimited in 2002 with quality controls in place and it hasn't worked, there are simply too many HC's


What quality controls are in place, and do you consider them adequate?

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The thing with Quality controls is that invariably they cost more money.

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I know several.
As for Bracknell, probably not many at the moment. That will change as time goes by.


Do you think the Drivers in Bracknell want a limit on licenses because they want to become plate barons?

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Do you think they want a limit because they cant make money?

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All HC's have to be under 3 years old on first registration and all have to be WAV's. All drivers inc PH have to do a knowledge test but IMO and since I did mine it has become far too easy.

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The thing with Quality controls is that invariably they cost more money.

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So does renting someone else's motor and keeping them in the style they are accustomed to..... :shock:

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The thing with Quality controls is that invariably they cost more money.

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So does renting someone else's motor and keeping them in the style they are accustomed to..... :shock:


Thats you're opinion, however misguided.

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I know several.
As for Bracknell, probably not many at the moment. That will change as time goes by.


Do you think the Drivers in Bracknell want a limit on licenses because they want to become plate barons?

Or

Do you think they want a limit because they cant make money?

CC


Because they are struggling to make money.
I doubt if many of them actually want to become a baron CC but it only takes one or two to start buying out the others. Plate values are probably quite low at the moment - perfect for a carpetbagger to move in and scoop up a few before the price rises. If things are as bad there as reported, I dare say a few would happily sell up for the right price.

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All drivers inc PH have to do a knowledge test but IMO and since I did mine it has become far too easy.


QED. Sort this out and solve the problem. The standard should be high and it should have been maintained.
Some might say it's too late, since the horse has already bolted.
The same would also be true of bringing back the cap.

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Because they are struggling to make money.
I doubt if many of them actually want to become a baron CC but it only takes one or two to start buying out the others. Plate values are probably quite low at the moment - perfect for a carpetbagger to move in and scoop up a few before the price rises. If things are as bad there as reported, I dare say a few would happily sell up for the right price.


But they seem to have what would be described as quality controls in place......and they still cant make a living.

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Because they are struggling to make money.
I doubt if many of them actually want to become a baron CC but it only takes one or two to start buying out the others. Plate values are probably quite low at the moment - perfect for a carpetbagger to move in and scoop up a few before the price rises. If things are as bad there as reported, I dare say a few would happily sell up for the right price.


But they seem to have what would be described as quality controls in place......and they still cant make a living.

CC

It's called a recession. :roll:
This limit won't drum up one extra fare between the lot of them.
Now they have something to sell, many will cut and run - selling out to shrewder business minds who can see farther ahead than next month.
Others will double shift their cars to generate an extra income. Competition will still grow and incomes will drop further. More will think of selling up or double shifting. Those who do neither will have to work more and more hours to make the same money or accept a smaller bag.

When the economy picks up, those who hold the plates will be in a position to clean up, at the expense of those who do not.
Question is: how many of those plates will still be in the same hands as they are today?

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Because they are struggling to make money.
I doubt if many of them actually want to become a baron CC but it only takes one or two to start buying out the others. Plate values are probably quite low at the moment - perfect for a carpetbagger to move in and scoop up a few before the price rises. If things are as bad there as reported, I dare say a few would happily sell up for the right price.

But they seem to have what would be described as quality controls in place......and they still cant make a living.

CC

Quality controls are OK, if they are brought in at the time of de-restriction, because it becomes a type of 'loose' barrier to entering the trade.

But if the quality controls are introduced years after de-limiting, in Brum's case 13 years after de-limiting, then that is harvest time for the multi owners. I won't use the term barons as I find it a little offensive in a capitalist society.

So what happens, & I can only quote Brum. For a start, very few multi owners in Brum have ever parted with money when acquiring new plates in the current climate. The desperate seller wants the best price, obviously, & the multi owners offer the best price, but only if you are continuing in the trade as a jockey. If you're not going to continue in the trade as a driver & are getting out, then the multi owners don't want to know.

So now a price of £XK has been agreed between buyer & seller. The multi owner buyer will even allow the seller to 'continue driving his cab' which ain't his cab any longer at a fixed rent of £X per week, which equates to X number of weeks 'rent free', but it ain't rent free.

And that's the way they do it in Brum.

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Because they are struggling to make money.
I doubt if many of them actually want to become a baron CC but it only takes one or two to start buying out the others. Plate values are probably quite low at the moment - perfect for a carpetbagger to move in and scoop up a few before the price rises. If things are as bad there as reported, I dare say a few would happily sell up for the right price.

But they seem to have what would be described as quality controls in place......and they still cant make a living.

CC

Quality controls are OK, if they are brought in at the time of de-restriction, because it becomes a type of 'loose' barrier to entering the trade.

But if the quality controls are introduced years after de-limiting, in Brum's case 13 years after de-limiting, then that is harvest time for the multi owners. I won't use the term barons as I find it a little offensive in a capitalist society.

So what happens, & I can only quote Brum. For a start, very few multi owners in Brum have ever parted with money when acquiring new plates in the current climate. The desperate seller wants the best price, obviously, & the multi owners offer the best price, but only if you are continuing in the trade as a jockey. If you're not going to continue in the trade as a driver & are getting out, then the multi owners don't want to know.

So now a price of £XK has been agreed between buyer & seller. The multi owner buyer will even allow the seller to 'continue driving his cab' which ain't his cab any longer at a fixed rent of £X per week, which equates to X number of weeks 'rent free', but it ain't rent free.

And that's the way they do it in Brum.


Sounds like ripping up the floorboards to keep the fire going. :roll:

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