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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2003 3:56 pm 
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hahahaehehehe Sussex the silent majority?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2003 5:57 pm 
http://www.edinburghnews.com/index.cfm?id=1340832003


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Zat you Wharfy?

It can be done with a RRO, that much has been obvious since the publication of clause 1.147c in the Government's RRA Action Plan, surely.

Dusty


I think if it did need full legislation to de-limit, then they wouldn't have put it in the the RRA.

Have they not used the RRA to change licensing and gambling laws?

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Here we go again, the scare-mongers are plying their lies, and thicko councillors are taking it all in.

They currently have about 2000 taxis and PHs, but from thin air another 4000 are going to come !!!!!!!

And guess what, they are all going to be saloons. Lies, lies and more lies.

But it did make me chuckle when the Scottish taxi fed man said, that it would be alright if it happens down in England, he just doesn't want it to happen in his manor.

Perhaps that says more about this trade of ours, than I possibly ever could. :(


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But it did make me chuckle when the Scottish taxi fed man said, that it would be alright if it happens down in England, he just doesn't want it to happen in his manor.

Perhaps that says more about this trade of ours, than I possibly ever could. :(


I'm afraid it didn't make me chuckle. :( :( :( :(

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Dusty Bin wrote:
Zat you Wharfy?

It can be done with a RRO, that much has been obvious since the publication of clause 1.147c in the Government's RRA Action Plan, surely.

Dusty


I think if it did need full legislation to de-limit, then they wouldn't have put it in the the RRA.

Have they not used the RRA to change licensing and gambling laws?

Alex


some confusion here Alex, the laws of licensing and gambling were subject to a bill prior to the RRA.

THE rra HAS BEEN USED TO ALTER ADMINISTRATION, however according to our licensing chappie, a bill will be put through with further changes he tells me if I understood him cortrectly that they missed out fit and proper person :oops:

so anybody can run a licence :oops:

but they are on to it.

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rumours are rife that tone is to go in the spring, will Gordon want to upset T&g comming up to an election?

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I very much doubt Mr Blair will be gone in the spring, but if he is then I've no problem with Mr Brown.

It was in his Budget statement that he reafirmed the items in the RRA. In fact he spoke very highly of it, and improved the waiting times. :D :D :D


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Hmmmm. Is there not another way?

What if, the provisions of earlier Acts of Parliament are deemed illegal by a later Act?

Lets say for example, the new competition act?

Does not a later Act supercede an earlier one?

What if they passed it to the Competition Commission and they ruled that Limit by numbers was illegal and unfair trading?

Would they still need more primary legislation to change things?

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Andy7 wrote:
Hmmmm. Is there not another way?

What if, the provisions of earlier Acts of Parliament are deemed illegal by a later Act?

Lets say for example, the new competition act?

Does not a later Act supercede an earlier one?

What if they passed it to the Competition Commission and they ruled that Limit by numbers was illegal and unfair trading?

Would they still need more primary legislation to change things?


when new law is written old law is repealed at the same time, its not overwriten in the way you describe.

if it was passed to competition and deemed illegal one has two choices to accept or chalenge but thats hypothetical it aint happened

but remember the small print

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cannot be done by order I do believe. if yo take a butchers at the RRA action plan it concedes this point.



Where exactly does it say that Wharfy?

The RRA website says:

"Briefly, the main provision of the Act is to create a powerful tool to enable regulatory reform. It allows Ministers to use orders to reform primary legislation."

So an RRO could do it??

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Andy7 wrote:
Lets say for example, the new competition act?

Does not a later Act supercede an earlier one?

What if they passed it to the Competition Commission and they ruled that Limit by numbers was illegal and unfair trading?

Would they still need more primary legislation to change things?


The Competition Act applies to things done by 'undertakings' which doesn't include regulatory decision of public bodies.

If it did then quotas would have come to an end years ago.

And if they did, the OFT would have ruled on it, the CC has no say in the matter - the OFT rules on breaches of the Competition Act, with an appeal to the Competition Appeal Tribunal.

The CC deals with mergers and markets where competiton is reduced, but the OFT has to refer the market, but unfortunatlely they didn't in our case.

Dusty :(


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What a load of rubbish - just the job for The Bin Man!!

These people are either woefully ignorant or bare-faced liers, but I'll be charitable and assume it's the former.

Dusty :D


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More than likely, they are both. :(

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cannot be done by order I do believe. if yo take a butchers at the RRA action plan it concedes this point.



Where exactly does it say that Wharfy?

The RRA website says:

"Briefly, the main provision of the Act is to create a powerful tool to enable regulatory reform. It allows Ministers to use orders to reform primary legislation."

So an RRO could do it??

Dusty



read the bloody page for gods sake
last colomn, method
RRO under consideration or primary legislation!

if only you would read the small print binnie.

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Or that's the word of the day, or. :wink:

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