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I dont think Sussex you understand or you are being provocative.

the ranks at the airport are private ranks, they pay to go on them, so there are not limits in the way you suggest.


Sorry, but you are wrong on this one !

The Airport Drivers pay for something else.


Well don't stop there Cheshire, tell us what the something else is lol You're on the right track but you should know what the something else is?

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Well don't stop there Cheshire, tell us what the something else is lol You're on the right track but you should know what the something else is?


awww it wouldnt be a christmas party would it, with lovely balloons and cake, crackers and a hired in clown would it? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Well don't stop there Cheshire, tell us what the something else is lol You're on the right track but you should know what the something else is?


awww it wouldnt be a christmas party would it, with lovely balloons and cake, crackers and a hired in clown would it? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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lol you won't get much festive cheer up at the Airport but you might get offered a Donner Kebab from the Asians. They have their own clay oven up there so if you're passing through you know where to go for a quick snack.

By the way, seeing as no one has put this chestnut to rest, the Permits are for parking on Airport property. It was never directly about ranks, the same excuse for introducing permits was also given at Piccadilly Railway station. They calculated that the land represented X amounts of pounds when it came to parking fees and that if parking permits were not introduced then the Airport would utilise the land in some other financially viable way. Hence permits. I think the Railway permits came first and the Airport followed. Then again I may be wrong. I have a copy of the very first Airport permit application form here at home.

There was only one guy who had the balls to refuse to pay the permit and he used to park on the double yellow lines and wait for his turn to come around, then hew would join the rank. He got that much stick by the drivers that he eventually fell in line. However, I think he made his point. The Cabs parked in a pen, which got the nick, name "the pig pen" lol no adverse comments please. lol

The railways did the same, they reckoned they could get x amount of pounds for the parking space which the cabs utilised on what was known as Piccadilly feed. The difference with the Railways is that they have a by-law, which states no one can ply for hire on railway property without express permission of the Railway. I'm not sure how the recent terrorist laws have effected Airports with regard to cabs but I still don't think they have such a clear-cut law as that of the stations. I brought this up a long time ago with Manchester city council but to be quite honest it was way over their head.

The best case about plying for hire and touting at airports is the Lord Denning case where London Airport applied to have exclusion orders placed on several persistent mini cab drivers.

Hope this clears up the Manchester Airport permit saga.

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I know that company over at Gatwick put in a tender for private hire at Manchester and got it, however the HC put a stop to it as the Director was hiding an undisclosed bankruptcy, but I think that one is old old news.

What did end up happening with that?

Regards Eric


Hi Eric,

The company in question is Checker Cars.
They got their ''private hire Operators'' licence after some haggling.
On day one they started to ''rank up'' and were told by the council this was illegal.
Anyways, after a year or so of running they quit after losing thousands of pounds as they have a reputation with passengers at Gatwick.
They are still in Manchester Airport hoping to sue the airport for breach of contract etc.
They have now been replaced by AirportcarZ who are running with an 'O' licence.
Look under ''the hearing latest''.
JD, yes I was aware of the permits being to park at the Airport.
And, no, the Asians dont sell ''donner'' kebabs at the airport though the curries etc are nice.


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I know that company over at Gatwick put in a tender for private hire at Manchester and got it, however the HC put a stop to it as the Director was hiding an undisclosed bankruptcy, but I think that one is old old news.

What did end up happening with that?

Regards Eric


Hi Eric,

The company in question is Checker Cars.
They got their ''private hire Operators'' licence after some haggling.
On day one they started to ''rank up'' and were told by the council this was illegal.
Anyways, after a year or so of running they quit after losing thousands of pounds as they have a reputation with passengers at Gatwick.
They are still in Manchester Airport hoping to sue the airport for breach of contract etc.
They have now been replaced by AirportcarZ who are running with an 'O' licence.
Look under ''the hearing latest''.

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JD, yes I was aware of the permits being to park at the Airport.


When you failed to expand on the reason as to why the permits are in place, I wasn't entirely sure if you actually new. I suppose if you ask half the bods up there they wouldn't know either. You could have saved me some typing but at least everyone is a little wiser now. By the way, have you any idea who the driver was that I metioned who wouldn't conform to the status quo and buy a permit? his initials will do.
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And, no, the Asians dont sell ''donner'' kebabs at the airport though the curries etc are nice.


Maybe they just don't make kebabs for you? by the way, I never used the words "sold kebabs" "Offered" was the word I used.

For some reason I was under the impression you didn't work the Airport.

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JD


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By the way, have you any idea who the driver was that I metioned who wouldn't conform to the status quo and buy a permit? his initials will do.


For some reason I was under the impression you didn't work the Airport.

Best wishes

JD

I don't know his name but will try and find out for you.

I never said I work at the Airport .
Its just that I get told these things from time to time and whenever I drop at the Airport might just drop by the feeder park and pick up info.


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cheshirebest wrote:
By the way, have you any idea who the driver was that I metioned who wouldn't conform to the status quo and buy a permit? his initials will do.


For some reason I was under the impression you didn't work the Airport.

Best wishes

JD

I don't know his name but will try and find out for you.

I never said I work at the Airport .
Its just that I get told these things from time to time and whenever I drop at the Airport might just drop by the feeder park and pick up info.


I know his name, I was just wonderign if you did.

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I know his name, I was just wonderign if you did.

Best wishes

JD


Okay, likewise, give me the initials and I will see if it rings a bell.
Anyway, we seem to be digressing from the subject matter here.
I just hope that Sussex has read this months PH monthly and seen the ruling in London where Private Hire have been deemed unable to use Bus Lanes as they are not a ''TAXI''.
I hope it improves his understanding of things a bit !


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cheshirebest wrote:


Okay, likewise, give me the initials and I will see if it rings a bell.


I'll give you one, which is H you give me the other lol


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JD


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I just hope that Sussex has read this months PH monthly and seen the ruling in London where Private Hire have been deemed unable to use Bus Lanes as they are not a ''TAXI''.

I have indeed read said article, and it's not all bad. :shock:

Yes, PH can't use the taxi & bus lanes. But the judgement says that taxis from elsewhere can. Thus when Red Ken allows the London PH into the taxi lanes, which is on the cards for next year, it follows that PH from elsewhere will also be allowed in the taxi lanes.

A step in the right direction, I'm sure you will agree. :wink:

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I just hope that Sussex has read this months PH monthly and seen the ruling in London where Private Hire have been deemed unable to use Bus Lanes as they are not a ''TAXI''.

If anyone else wishes to read the Adjudicator's Decision, then it's on page 5 of this link.

http://www.phtm.co.uk/media/1101976355.pdf

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I just hope that Sussex has read this months PH monthly and seen the ruling in London where Private Hire have been deemed unable to use Bus Lanes as they are not a ''TAXI''.

I have indeed read said article, and it's not all bad. :shock:

Yes, PH can't use the taxi & bus lanes. But the judgement says that taxis from elsewhere can. Thus when Red Ken allows the London PH into the taxi lanes, which is on the cards for next year, it follows that PH from elsewhere will also be allowed in the taxi lanes.

A step in the right direction, I'm sure you will agree. :wink:


If you are prepared to believe everything ''Red Ken'' says its up to you.
BUT, his record is not so good : On the congestion charge he said '' There does not seem to be any need for the charge to rise from 5 Pounds for at least ten years yet he has just announced that this will increase to Pounds 8 soon (An increase of 60%).
He is also trying to License drivers who lack the ''knowledge'' for Hackneys without much success so far.
I think a ''step in the right direction'' would be for you to get a Hackney Drivers Badge (If you already havent got one) and then buy a plate and become a ''TAXI'' driver .


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I think a ''step in the right direction'' would be for you to get a Hackney Drivers Badge (If you already havent got one) and then buy a plate and become a ''TAXI'' driver .

Two things, firstly I was unaware you needed to be a 'taxi driver' to own a plate. :shock:

Secondly, and far more importantly, what is a taxi driver? I think I quite like the Home Office definition. :D :D

"taxi driver" means a driver of a hackney carriage vehicle who is required to be licensed by a person pursuant to section 46 of the Town Police Clauses Act 1847 and section 59 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 or pursuant to section 8 of the Metropolitan Public Carriage Act 1869, or a driver of a private hire vehicle who is required to be licensed by a person under section 51 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 or the Plymouth City Council Act 1975;

I'm sure you will agree with me. :wink:

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I think a ''step in the right direction'' would be for you to get a Hackney Drivers Badge (If you already havent got one) and then buy a plate and become a ''TAXI'' driver .

Two things, firstly I was unaware you needed to be a 'taxi driver' to own a plate. :shock:

Secondly, and far more importantly, what is a taxi driver? I think I quite like the Home Office definition. :D :D

"taxi driver" means a driver of a hackney carriage vehicle who is required to be licensed by a person pursuant to section 46 of the Town Police Clauses Act 1847 and section 59 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 or pursuant to section 8 of the Metropolitan Public Carriage Act 1869, or a driver of a private hire vehicle who is required to be licensed by a person under section 51 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976 or the Plymouth City Council Act 1975;

I'm sure you will agree with me. :wink:



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the home office acording to Blunket was in a state when he got there and lots of things are wrong.

still is mistakes due to continual shagging.


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Two things, firstly I was unaware you needed to be a 'taxi driver' to own a plate. :shock:

Secondly, and far more importantly, what is a taxi driver? I think I quite like the Home Office definition.


You have been giving us all the impression that you are very keen to become a TAXI driver. For you to do that you will require a badge (unless your council has a dual badge policy)
The Home office are in a confused state at the moment as Blunkett is otherwise occupied !
It does not matter what the Home Office says but your Local Council!
In your case we might get Blunkett to ''fast track'' your application.

Dont know what he migh want in return but thats for you two to sort out !


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