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In fact the more I think about it the more the idea appeals , you could set any number of questions to gather so many facts eg how many people would actually want to own their own cab?

I am sure somebody could organise this, I would be happy to put some of the cash up for it.


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SIRIUS......PUT ME IN....mrT :lol:


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Well self determination is okay but forcing others to except your view of self determination is slightly harder to achieve....


Err, hello? It's YOU and your fellow restricted numbers fans who want to determine what others in the trade do - do as I say, not as I do.



It seems like that,which ever side is talking , but I am not sure it's only those who want to de-limit who wish self determination, I was talking about the Scottish Executive and their rebuttal of the OFT report.

Actually it's Local issues that bother me and people in the localitys right to have their vioces heard, I do not mind if they de-limit the numbers, but I do mind if there is an attempt to kill the goose that lays the golden egg to reach that objective.

You guys keep telling me that everyones in favour of lifting the restrictions on numbers, I am not so sure, but would be more than happy to go with the flow.


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You know all we ever do is go round and round and round, you guys bleat on about how its so unfair that plate values are so high, or that high plate values are indicative of SUD, or that the surveys can be manipulated, or that all the extra PH is also a sign of SUD, or that the high plate prices represent signifcant barriers to entry, i can go on and on.......

Tell me have you ever seen the effects of de regulation? consider the buses? where I am they have not improved, they are timetabled the same, cost the same, and all they do is choke the city.

What will be your next target? Kebab vans? after all they are also regulated........


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SIRIUS......PUT ME IN....mrT :lol:



No problem MR T :lol:


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You know all we ever do is go round and round and round, you guys bleat on about how its so unfair that plate values are so high, or that high plate values are indicative of SUD, or that the surveys can be manipulated, or that all the extra PH is also a sign of SUD, or that the high plate prices represent signifcant barriers to entry, i can go on and on.......

Tell me have you ever seen the effects of de regulation? consider the buses? where I am they have not improved, they are timetabled the same, cost the same, and all they do is choke the city.

What will be your next target? Kebab vans? after all they are also regulated........




Yes , a puzzle to me this one as well, you never seem to hear what happens after an area becomes a de-limited one.

Is this because it's good or bad?


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No I am a driver, but could you define what a vested interest actually is?


It's simply a personal interest in the continuation of a state of affairs of some kind, in this case restricted taxi numbers.

Of course, some jockies think they have a vested interest in restricted taxi numbers, but in fact since they are paying inflated rentals then that's not the case.

So you don't mind paying inflated rentals?



Err , not if it allows me to make a reasonable living.


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well the guys from Sheffield can be heard, also the guys from Swindon have started to complain about the lack of space on the ranks............i thought the whole point was to have a "hail and ride" market....


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You know all we ever do is go round and round and round, you guys bleat on about how its so unfair that plate values are so high, or that high plate values are indicative of SUD, or that the surveys can be manipulated, or that all the extra PH is also a sign of SUD, or that the high plate prices represent signifcant barriers to entry, i can go on and on.......

Tell me have you ever seen the effects of de regulation? consider the buses? where I am they have not improved, they are timetabled the same, cost the same, and all they do is choke the city.

What will be your next target? Kebab vans? after all they are also regulated........



De-restriction does not have to be a cataclysmic affair. No one said put hundreds of cabs on right away. (Regardless of what the papers say, I never said a hundred) De-restriction could mean a number of cabs being put on every month to a working formula. Let’s say 8-10-15 cabs for instance. A proper waiting list with the opportunity to acquire your licence sometime in the future, you would still have the opportunity to buy a plate from someone who wants to sell. The advantages being you don’t have to wait for your turn on the list. The qualification requirement for topo test could and should be set by taxi drivers together with other modules which create a higher standard of professionalism within the trade slowing down the whole process. A host of things could be done, but this would mean taking control back from the council and the trade mandarins who claim to represent us.

The way I see it is simple. I am not here to provide someone with their status in life and anyone who claims to represent me should be doing all they can to improve my status within the trade and Society as a whole. All they have done up to now is provide councillors with more fuel for their already over inflated egos and to my detriment.

This is for Sirius; as for any vote, everyone drivers and owners alike would have to be fully informed and proposals put forward in such away as to give everyone a free and fair choice.

I would like to think that this was possible but I won’t hold out hope, up to now no one from the council or the trade has even asked why we are doing this or what it is that we want.

It may come as a surprise to some but when people are denied proper representation and no one is prepared to listen then people get to a point where enough is enough then terrorism metaphorically speaking is the only option.

If there was a political vehicle that truly informed and represented all members of the trade equally with a meeting open to public scrutiny I would be more than happy.

Unfortunately this would mean some in so called power to be openly held responsible and accountable to the members they claim to represent.

Improbable, but maybe not impossible.


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Sirius wrote:
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No I am a driver, but could you define what a vested interest actually is?


It's simply a personal interest in the continuation of a state of affairs of some kind, in this case restricted taxi numbers.

Of course, some jockies think they have a vested interest in restricted taxi numbers, but in fact since they are paying inflated rentals then that's not the case.

So you don't mind paying inflated rentals?



Err , not if it allows me to make a reasonable living.





A “reasonable living” what if my “reasonable living” was an hourly rate half of what you were prepared to work for, should I be denied the opportunity of a “reasonable living” because of you. What about competing in a market place where only the fittest survive by being truly competitive. Maybe the owners of the Ph companies see it exactly like this? Maybe they don’t really care what you think a “reasonable living” amounts to. I would take a guess and say this is exactly how they see it.

What says you?


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Sirius wrote:
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You know all we ever do is go round and round and round, you guys bleat on about how its so unfair that plate values are so high, or that high plate values are indicative of SUD, or that the surveys can be manipulated, or that all the extra PH is also a sign of SUD, or that the high plate prices represent signifcant barriers to entry, i can go on and on.......

Tell me have you ever seen the effects of de regulation? consider the buses? where I am they have not improved, they are timetabled the same, cost the same, and all they do is choke the city.

What will be your next target? Kebab vans? after all they are also regulated........




Yes , a puzzle to me this one as well, you never seem to here what happens after an area becomes a de-limited one.

Is this because it's good or bad?


There is a list of councils on the webiite who have changed their policy from Quantity control to Quality control, if you want to find out how the policy change has effected take-up you could always phone one or two?

Bassetlaw informed me several months ago that they had issued just one licence since they changed their policy, perhaps its time I did a comprehensive update.

Regards

JD


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JD wrote:
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187ums wrote:
You know all we ever do is go round and round and round, you guys bleat on about how its so unfair that plate values are so high, or that high plate values are indicative of SUD, or that the surveys can be manipulated, or that all the extra PH is also a sign of SUD, or that the high plate prices represent signifcant barriers to entry, i can go on and on.......

Tell me have you ever seen the effects of de regulation? consider the buses? where I am they have not improved, they are timetabled the same, cost the same, and all they do is choke the city.

What will be your next target? Kebab vans? after all they are also regulated........






Yes , a puzzle to me this one as well, you never seem to here what happens after an area becomes a de-limited one.

Is this because it's good or bad?


There is a list of councils on the webiite who have changed their policy from Quantity control to Quality control, if you want to find out how the policy change has effected take-up you could always phone one or two?

Bassetlaw informed me several months ago that they had issued just one licence since they changed their policy, perhaps its time I did a comprehensive update.

Regards

JD



Yes, that could give some indication of the outcome of de-limiting the numbers of taxis, or the different method of Quality rather than Quantity control.


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What would a vote prove?

No more than a vote by three slavemasters and two slaves on the merits of slavery.

Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.




Well I think there are thousands of Drivers and only 1260 cabs, so it follows that there must be more slaves than masters, it would be interesting to see how many people crave the de-limited paradise much espoused on this and other sites.

Turkeys might vote for Christmas, well if they new they were not going to end up in the oven.


I didn't mean the slaves and masters analogy to apply to the taxi trade, the point I was making was that just because a vote is pre-ordained to go a certain way then that doesn't make the result fair.

I mean, if the brewers got together to fix the price of a pint of beer, it's hardly a good argument to say that if asked they would all vote for it!

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In fact the more I think about it the more the idea appeals , you could set any number of questions to gather so many facts eg how many people would actually want to own their own cab?



Again the answer would hardly be equitable, since in many areas lots of drivers have no interest in cab ownership.

But that's no good reason to deny others who do.

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Actually it's Local issues that bother me and people in the localitys right to have their vioces heard, I do not mind if they de-limit the numbers, but I do mind if there is an attempt to kill the goose that lays the golden egg to reach that objective.


What's the golden egg, £40k plate premiums on licenses handed out for nothing :?


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You guys keep telling me that everyones in favour of lifting the restrictions on numbers, I am not so sure, but would be more than happy to go with the flow.


I'm not sure how you conclude that we keep telling you that EVERYONE's in favour of lifting controls, perhaps you could clarify.

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