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Charley from Bolton

I must have missed that bit.

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Yes but JD sometimes is a she

Sefton hadn't responded to what?

Your going to have to show me when I said that and in what context? At one time all 151 councils hadn't responded so it's no good making off the wall statements sunshine without asking me to what I was referring? Sefton and every other council didn't respond to the DfT request until such time the Council through their licensing committees decided what they were going to do about the DfT request, to reconsider their policy? Just because you personally haven't got the capacity to comprehend what that means don't assume that others share your level of intelligence?

Why does Trevor Jones say he represents the "North West Taxi association", Especially when it doesn't even exist?

Answers on a postcard please?

JD
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For the benefit of anyone interested in prevaricating Sefton Council who dragged out the process of answering the Governments request to reconsider their restricted policy? The bottom line is that there are only 12 councils left who have yet to answer the Governments request and jolly old Sefton is one of them.

Timetable of events regarding Sefton.

Early 2005 John Thompson stated Sefton are in no hurry to address the Government guidance, he said a survey would probably be commissioned at the end of 2005. Mr Thompson's timetable of events was correct because in October 2005 the Committee decided to commission KNW, who were the lowest bidders, to undertake the survey. That survey was put before the committee on September 4th 2006 and an official policy decision is yet to be made.

April 2005 Sefton. Response delayed until later in the year. "Correct"
June 2005 Sefton. Response delayed until later in the year. "Correct"
August 2005 Sefton. Response delayed until late autumn, there seems to be no urgency to address the Government request of June 2004. 271 hacks. "Correct"
October 2005 Sefton. Response delayed until late autumn, there seems to be no urgency to address the Government request of June 2004. "Jacobs currently finalising survey details". 271 hacks. "Correct" apart from the reference to Jacobs which was offered to me by Sefton licensing, whom from my recollection at the time said they were in discussions with Jacobs. Obviously I suspect the Edinburgh Fiasco may have had a part to play in Sefton disregarding Jacobs.

At this time I confided with my colleagues on here and told them I had decided to put Sefton and one or two other authorities on the back burner until such time they showed signs of making real progress towards a decision.

In respect of Sefton that progress came to a head on September 4th 2006, which is over two years since they were first asked to reconsider their policy. Back in early 2005 the very first entry I made in respect of Sefton was "Response delayed until later in the year". Nearly two years later we still haven't had a final response. So I can't see why you're being so obsessed and pedantic about Sefton's response when we still haven't had it.

When Sefton council finally make a decision on policy and instruct an officer to write to the DfT explaining that Sefton council is restricting numbers because there is no unmet demand, then that is when we will have an official response.

You Mr Jones are no doubt aware of all this but because you don't have any substantive points to debate you belittle yourself by making childish accusations that don't hold water. The quota list is forever being updated and there will always be times when some data is predated by recent events and that is always the case.

Even now Sefton still hasn't made a decision on their policy, although we all know the answer is a foregone conclusion. Perhaps the next meeting might yield a decision but we won't hold our breath.

Needless to say Sefton will go down as one of those Authorities who dragged this process out to the bitter end. So now you know the timetable of my events in respect of Sefton but they weren't published for your benefit they were published in order that everyone can see what type of imbecile you really are?

JD
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LICENSING AND REGULATORY COMMITTEE
Meeting held at the Town Hall, Bootle on 3rd October, 2005

9. MINUTES
The Minutes of the meeting held on 5th September, 2005 were
approved.

10. APPOINTMENT OF CONSULTANT TO CARRY OUT THE
HACKNEY CARRIAGE UNMET DEMAND SURVEY

The Committee considered the report of the Environmental
Protection Director advising of the appointment of a consultant to
undertake a survey regarding unmet demand in the hackney carriage
trade.

The report indicated that following consultation with the Finance
Department, who had confirmed that the value of the contract was below
the current tender threshold of £30,000, six specialist consultants were
contacted and asked to submit a comprehensive estimate of the costs of
carrying out the 2005 survey; that as a result, four firms submitted
estimates; and after due consideration it had been decided to appoint
Kielder Newport West Ltd. to carry out the 2005 hackney carriage unmet
demand survey, at a cost of £15,045.00, on the basis that they provided
the lowest price and also proposed the most comprehensive survey.
The report concluded by indicating that the survey would include:-

A public attitude survey
Queue Simulation
Comparison with other local authorities

9
LICENSING AND REGULATORY COMMITTEE - 3/10/2005

Consultation with Stakeholders
A study of fares and the impact on demand
Latent demand for horse omnibuses
Study the effect of private hire vehicles on demand
Comparison of Hackney Carriage fares and private hire fares
Driver Consultation (via postal survey)
Operator Consultation (Hackney Carriage and Private Hire)
Trade Representative Consultation
Consult with Sefton Council’s ‘Access’ officer
Consultation with disability groups
Consultation with the Police
Consultation with Local Chamber of Commerce, Clubs,
Tourist Board, Students etc.
Monthly progress reports
Data Analysis
Multiple copies of the Final Report and presentation to
Committee Members; and
A rank viability survey;
and that the survey was intended to obtain the best possible level of
information and was essential in assisting the Committee to determine its
future policy on the existing numerical restriction on the numbers of
licensed hackney carriages within Sefton.

RESOLVED:- That the decision of the Environmental Protection
Director to appoint Kielder Newport West Ltd. as the consultant for the
hackney carriage unmet demand survey in Sefton, 2005 be approved.
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JD's list really must have pi** off so many people, especially the plate value database.

At least it doesn't pi** off the umpteen LOs who have used it when writing reports backing de-limitation.

The OFT quote it, the DfT have quoted it, and many reports have also quoted it.

Can't win every battle with it, but it's helped win far more than I could have ever wished for.

And if that list has pi**ed off the likes of GA and Mr T, then that alone has made it all worth while.

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IDFIMH

Maybe so Sussex but now it is widely recognised by every national body to be pure fiction and fatally flawed.... and people that have used it have been left with a large amount of egg on there face, oooooooooooooooooooOh by the way does this mean that your finally admitting that you were sending it out to councils.... .

Sorry did someone say something?

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IDFIMH

I think the words were thrown it in the bin

Timetable of events regarding Sefton.

Early 2005 John Thompson stated Sefton are in no hurry to address the Government guidance, he said a survey would probably be commissioned at the end of 2005. Mr Thompson's timetable of events was correct because in October 2005 the Committee decided to commission KNW, who were the lowest bidders, to undertake the survey. That survey was put before the committee on September 4th 2006 and an official policy decision is yet to be made.

April 2005 Sefton. Response delayed until later in the year. "Correct"
June 2005 Sefton. Response delayed until later in the year. "Correct"
August 2005 Sefton. Response delayed until late autumn, there seems to be no urgency to address the Government request of June 2004. 271 hacks. "Correct"

October 2005 Sefton. Response delayed until late autumn, there seems to be no urgency to address the Government request of June 2004. "Jacobs currently finalising survey details". 271 hacks. "Correct" apart from the reference to Jacobs which was offered to me by Sefton licensing, whom from my recollection at the time said they were in discussions with Jacobs. Obviously I suspect the Edinburgh Fiasco may have had a part to play in Sefton disregarding Jacobs.

Typical of J D has part of the puzzle and thinks he knows the answer .. I haven't stopped laughing since I read this..it is always better to have the full facts and not to some

So I take it you were at that licensing panel meeting yourself and heard Mr Jones making that statement, then to prove what you'd heard the statement was put into print by someone independent to yourself.

So why is it when people come on here you never refer to them with the user name they chose preferring to use their real name. I would have more understanding if you posted under your real name. There is sometimes a need to hide identity and that should be respected just as people respect your decision not to use your real name. You cannot complain when the same people then turn and make accusations about your own identity.

I agree, however the respect questioned was concerning affording the same rights and I refer you to the answer I gave earlier.

In many cases the facts that you offer are open to interpretation, what you don't accept is that others interpret the facts differently.
Of course I accept that Mr Jones has flaws ......... just as I have flaws and its fair to say that everyone else is by no means perfect, the thing that is refreshing is the fact that Mr Jones accepts the fact that no-one is perfect and has never offered answers to peoples problems just his own opinion of a given situation, in many cases based on past experiences. On the other hand other people dictate their views as being the truth, and anyone who contradicts their opinion is berated as a liar.

Not always, if your intention is to get councils to lift restriction of numbers. The fact of the matter is that more councils are now re-regulating numbers, my own for example.

Most people in a position of influence within local associations are elected to that position, the people who stop more people achieving their own personal goals are unelected.


So your saying that many people encourage hatred and support your stance to extenuate certain circumstances in order to gather more support for the hate campaigns you undertake against certain individuals.

That's sad.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

And there we have it ............... NO LIST HAS PI$$ED ME OFF Mr Suspect. Instead it has encouraged me to show the real truth.

Fact - Gateshead has actively acknowledged that the policies currently in place are inadequate and not in the public's interest and have stopped issuing plates until the matter can be properly reviewed.

Fact - Sussex still has not been able to convince his own council to give him and his supporters a plate.

Now, exactly who has concerned themselves with fllawed and inaccurate lists and who is PI$$ED OFF.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

But its better for some peoples arguments when they are not in possession of all of the facts as it gives them an opportunity to fill in the blanks themselves.
They do not concern themselves with a little thing like evidence choosing instead to look back years for a unconnected quote which can be used to offer a interpretation of truth.

They only seek division in the trade as they couldn't compete with the knowledge and experience from the professional side of the trade.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

He'll never admit to that MrT ........................................ cause its the truth.

We knew it, they knew we knew it and they banned us for stating it.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

Why don't you ask him when he said it? Instead of beating your head against a brick wall? Are you afraid he won't give you a straight answer?

And while your at it ask him what position he holds in the NWTA and who voted him in?

JD