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I would like to know what percentage of the driver licenses are full time workers. I would guess that there is a high percentage of part timers earning a bit of extra cash. But then I suppose we will never know this.
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of course they are there, but here where each taxi has 3 licenses drivers and has been open for 3 years still the jockeys dont buy!
you bend figures to suit your cause, also many people have duel licenses and let me set you into a secret they dont drive both at the same time.


Is that right, they don't drive both at once?

As I've been saying that for years, to those who say de-limitation will mean hundreds more cars on the road, I might just have gathered that by now.

But you point about some in your manor being able to run their own HC is quite valid. However they have a choice, whereas tens of thousands don't.

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I would like to know what percentage of the driver licenses are full time workers. I would guess that there is a high percentage of part timers earning a bit of extra cash. But then I suppose we will never know this.


Well we might if the 48 hours working time directive ever came to self-employed HC/PH drivers.

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[quote="Anonymous"Well we might if the 48 hours working time directive ever came to self-employed HC/PH drivers.


More likely to be the maximum allowable under the EU working time directive which I think you will find is 56.
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More likely to be the maximum allowable under the EU working time directive which I think you will find is 56.


The lastest draft reduced the proposed hours from 56, as in the rest of society, to 48 for the good old HC/PH trade.

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If we can go back a few pages, we were discussing the supposed greed of those owners in areas that operate a fare formula system.

In most of those formulas, the fares are based on the earning from one full time driver covering his overheads. So if we have 2/3/4 drivers on one car, then the owner is taking the pee, being greedy, or possibly both.

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If we can go back a few pages, we were discussing the supposed greed of those owners in areas that operate a fare formula system.

In most of those formulas, the fares are based on the earning from one full time driver covering his overheads. So if we have 2/3/4 drivers on one car, then the owner is taking the pee, being greedy, or possibly both.


Have you any idea what a fare formula is Mr SM.

You are still to offer explaination as to which areas, or specific operators have 2/3/4 drivers working each car.

Fare increase formula's are neccessary in order to provide the majority with a realistic year upon year rise, without the need for months of negotiation with the local authority.

Without specific information your argument is completely pointless.

Or, as is more likely, is this another dig at H/C plateholders, a minority of whom rent out their vehicles to journeymen and a even smaller minority "split the bag" with the drivers. The majority of plateholders are in fact owner drivers and those who do have journeymen, in the main, charge the journeyman a fixed weekly fee. Therefore any fare rise is unlikely to have any large effect on the ammount of money these people make from their journeymen so again your argumant is pointless.
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Yes, I'm fully aware of what a fare formula is.

As for the 2/3/4 drivers working the same car a) I only have to look out of my window, and b) Look at the government stats Alex put up on the TDO.

As for a dig at whoever, well if whoever needs to be digged at, then I will do it. :?

Or should we all follow the a certain lead, and stick our heads in the sand?

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I would like to know what percentage of the driver licenses are full time workers. I would guess that there is a high percentage of part timers earning a bit of extra cash. But then I suppose we will never know this.


Personally I wish that all drivers were full-time.

Perhaps it's because standards aren't high enough, because as far as I'm aware, you don't see too many part-time London Cabby's.

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I would like to know what percentage of the driver licenses are full time workers. I would guess that there is a high percentage of part timers earning a bit of extra cash. But then I suppose we will never know this.


Personally I wish that all drivers were full-time.

Perhaps it's because standards aren't high enough, because as far as I'm aware, you don't see too many part-time London Cabby's.

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But of course you dont know, the figures are not collated, you have a badge or you havnt that simple.

I suspect Alex London has more part timers than anyother city, I suspect Alex to be truthfull you dont see many london cabbies at all.
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If you look at the stats, it shows in London that there are 24,500 HC drivers, and 20,500 HC vehicles.

So the max number of part-timers has got to be 4,000, unless they have invented the driver-less TX11.

Out of those 4,000, I would say that most are full-timers sharing a vehicle, either as a jockey or as a partnership.

Thus leaving not many part-timers. :wink:

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If you look at the stats, it shows in London that there are 24,500 HC drivers, and 20,500 HC vehicles.

So the max number of part-timers has got to be 4,000, unless they have invented the driver-less TX11.

Out of those 4,000, I would say that most are full-timers sharing a vehicle, either as a jockey or as a partnership.

Thus leaving not many part-timers. :wink:



Well done Sussex, lets take Calderdale figures 80 cabs 240 badges thus this would not leave many part timers?

we can do what you have done all over, and london will still have a big pool of those you may call part timers.

When you write as Alex you put Alex in the [edited by admin] whith his breadth of lack of knowledge then come back on as yourself waving figures knew you would do, and knew you would try and proove something, youve only prooved your own stupidity

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So is Alex the lawyer then Wharfy?

Or is he Peter, is he Dusty, is he a council official, is he a she?

These, and many more, have come out from the conspiracy theorist Wharfy over time.

And guess what, none of them are right. :wink:

But that aside, your figures of 4.5 drivers to each cab, can only mean that there are many part-timers, or loads of greedy gits, possibly both.

You are making my point, and thanks for doing so. :shock:

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So is Alex the lawyer then Wharfy?

Or is he Peter, is he Dusty, is he a council official, is he a she?

These, and many more, have come out from the conspiracy theorist Wharfy over time.

And guess what, none of them are right. :wink:

But that aside, your figures of 4.5 drivers to each cab, can only mean that there are many part-timers, or loads of greedy gits, possibly both.

You are making my point, and thanks for doing so. :shock:

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Hang on there Sussex youve just cobbled up 2 sets of figures insinuated lots and come to a conclusion regarding London and managed to bend figures

you have taken the number of drivers from the number of cabs and said the part timers are in the remainder.

so are you assuming all full timers own a cab? well yes you were.

well thats bollox there are many jockeys in London renting from garages

you Sussex ans Alex betray a simular flawed strand of thinking and shooting from the hip from a single set of figures.

and still there is evedence that london has more than its fair share of part timers
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Well I can't be bothered to decipher that lot, but I'm assuming you are disagreeing with my point.

Then so be it, cos to be honest, I would be more concerned if you agreed with me.

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