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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 12:45 pm 
John Davies wrote:
What I would like to know Angel, is how many Cab drivers are members in your Branch of the T&G? Or is that a secret?
John Davies.


No not really, the branch had a meeting last week over 130 present. INCLUDING SOME P/H.

I'm also willing to tell you that 100% of independant drivers in the borough are either members or support us in other equally important ways.

P/H members are concerned their offices would be flooded with the independants should things not improve.

B. Lucky :twisted:


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:06 pm 
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I admire a man who can disseminate fact from fiction but are you actually saying the other reports you refer to are biased because of the false-hoods contained in the reports, or are you saying the reports are factual but portray an in built bias?



What I'm saying is that anyone who has a vested interest in the outcome of the OFT report would have a viewpoint bias to the goals that person wanted to achieve.

As you are well aware, there are two groups formed around this argument, those for delimitation and those against it. Both sides are more than capable of putting forward factual evidence to support their claims but they omit anything that would support the other, or they manipulate figures, or they quote a massivly high figure to scare the [edited by admin] out of the common reader then justify it by putting the ward "say" behind it in brackets.

The TDO document M&R is well written, it puts forward each and every argument needed to support a call for delimitation and it makes that demand loud and clear.

Now if you were to write a balanced view, the first thing that would be questioned by the reader is "what does this document want me to consider, what are its objectives, how does the document encourage me to consider the points raised and their implications" in order to establish the fundimentals of the document you establish the author's credibility, as without credibility the whole document, however well written, will fail to convince.

Do what you want with it Dusty mate, it must have took you an age to write, my biggest concern is that it will not get the recognition it deserves.

If you want to turn that around and spin my statements (as you normally do) then set yourself away, it really is not my concern, I was only trying to offer some constructive critisism until everyone jumped on their high horses YET AGAIN.

Also in response to Mr Tom Thumbs allegation he should listen to what people tell him, he was barred from the site but not by me, as he has been told before it was Mr Peter Bailey who barred him and as joint owner of the site he had seniority over my humble representative position.

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B. Lucky :twisted:


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:58 pm 
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Dear oh dear... I am very disappointed that you have taken the comments to be a wind up. :cry: That was certainly not the intention.
Please expalin what is so wrong in endorsing someone else view????

Strangely I thought that the concept of the forum was to express views... but perhaps if posters dont agree on certain points that the admin are expressing, and in turn, the admin do not like those views, then what is the point.

I do think that perhaps a raw nerve has been touched judging by your posting " Put up or shut up" & I think totally unjust. Perhaps others on here would like to express a view about this.

Of course if you do not want people posting their views on here, either endorsing a comment or expressing another, then perhaps you should make it clear in the rules. :wink:


The point about the wind up Mr Guest, is that the points being made are so weak that it looked as if you were deliberately trying to avoid the real issues (as per usual) and make some barely credulous arguments that most reasonable people wouldn't care less about unless they weren't bothered about the real issues, and a reasonable person might therefore think that you were just trying to wind people up.

Of course you are welcome on here to express your views, but they might be a bit credible if your main tactic wasn't just to completely ignore the real issues.

No nerves have been struck, indeed the fact that you've haven't even ATTEMPTED to land a punch re the substantive arguments in the document says a lot, so keep up the good work!

As for the ... err ...what was it again? Oh yes, that TDO's document may be claiming to represent the views of the forum. Well it's funny that no one has ever complained about this before in relation to the any other articles on the site representing the views of TDO.

Presumably if you'd been that worried in the past then you would have said, or at least stopped posting.

Well, you have stopped posting several times, but have always come back!

So what's the evidence that TDO has been claiming that the document represents the views of the forum members? We've not seen it yet!!

Mmmm.. what is the old saying "The best form is defense is attack" :wink: Please remember that I have not slated the actual report. I have read it through thoroughly and quite frankly see no point in having protracted postings about any weaknesses it may, or indeed not have. What would be the point when the author is, quite rightly, proud of the project.

If you cannot take constructive criticism from a different angle then what was expected then that is your own personal failing. Were you expecting, or indeed relishing long drawn out protracted arguments? Which is quite typical of the legal profession :wink:

Yes, you are indeed correct that at times I stop posting. I no longer post with an alias. But if you really wish for the membership of this forum to decrease ( and lets face it there are only a Small. handful of members who actually bother to post anyway) then you certainly have the right attitude. But then perhaps you are actually right, maybe I should stop posting. :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 3:47 pm 
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Also in response to Mr Tom Thumbs allegation he should listen to what people tell him, he was barred from the site but not by me, as he has been told before it was Mr Peter Bailey who barred him and as joint owner of the site he had seniority over my humble representative position.

Now

B. Lucky :twisted:


Ehh? Who is Peter Bailey? I have never heard of him! The site I was banned from was 'taxiandprivatehire'. Which Mick and Nidge claimed to be theirs as a 'better alternative' than the TTF site.

Seem to remember an email from Mick telling me to desist in chasing an explanation why, saying he didn't need to give one.

Also some claims from Nidge that he would hunt me down and 'out me'. Didn't know I was gay until he told me so :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:30 pm 
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Seem to remember an email from Mick telling me to desist in chasing an explanation why, saying he didn't need to give one.


If it was T&PH then you must have broke the rules you agreed to by joining.

B. Lucky :twisted:


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:05 pm 
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Mmmm.. what is the old saying "The best form is defense is attack" :wink: Please remember that I have not slated the actual report. I have read it through thoroughly and quite frankly see no point in having protracted postings about any weaknesses it may, or indeed not have. What would be the point when the author is, quite rightly, proud of the project.


I would say the main author of M&R is the most likely to amend anything or agree if something is wrong, then anyone else I know in this trade.

He is proud of it, but if someone points out a mistake, or an alternative view to one of the points, then it will be taken on board. :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:38 pm 
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Seem to remember an email from Mick telling me to desist in chasing an explanation why, saying he didn't need to give one.


If it was T&PH then you must have broke the rules you agreed to by joining.

B. Lucky :twisted:


Quite a change from your many warnings statement?

another cock up!


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 8:33 pm 
Gateshead Angel wrote:
John Davies wrote:
What I would like to know Angel, is how many Cab drivers are members in your Branch of the T&G? Or is that a secret?
John Davies.


No not really, the branch had a meeting last week over 130 present. INCLUDING SOME P/H.


Thank you for that Angel. 130 is good take up. Twelve years ago we didn't have half that many here in Manchester. London has only 1500 members out of 25,000 drivers. How many Hackney drivers do you have there in Gateshead?

Best wishes

John Davies


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:04 pm 
John Davies wrote:
Gateshead Angel wrote:
John Davies wrote:
What I would like to know Angel, is how many Cab drivers are members in your Branch of the T&G? Or is that a secret?
John Davies.


No not really, the branch had a meeting last week over 130 present. INCLUDING SOME P/H.


Thank you for that Angel. 130 is good take up. Twelve years ago we didn't have half that many here in Manchester. London has only 1500 members out of 25,000 drivers. How many Hackney drivers do you have there in Gateshead?

Best wishes

John Davies


John he said 130 were present, what he ommitted is that they meet in the corner of a busy pub.

there isnt actually 130 members of the whole of Tand G in Gateshead.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 10:05 pm 
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TDO wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Dear oh dear... I am very disappointed that you have taken the comments to be a wind up. :cry: That was certainly not the intention.
Please expalin what is so wrong in endorsing someone else view????

Strangely I thought that the concept of the forum was to express views... but perhaps if posters dont agree on certain points that the admin are expressing, and in turn, the admin do not like those views, then what is the point.

I do think that perhaps a raw nerve has been touched judging by your posting " Put up or shut up" & I think totally unjust. Perhaps others on here would like to express a view about this.

Of course if you do not want people posting their views on here, either endorsing a comment or expressing another, then perhaps you should make it clear in the rules. :wink:


The point about the wind up Mr Guest, is that the points being made are so weak that it looked as if you were deliberately trying to avoid the real issues (as per usual) and make some barely credulous arguments that most reasonable people wouldn't care less about unless they weren't bothered about the real issues, and a reasonable person might therefore think that you were just trying to wind people up.

Of course you are welcome on here to express your views, but they might be a bit credible if your main tactic wasn't just to completely ignore the real issues.

No nerves have been struck, indeed the fact that you've haven't even ATTEMPTED to land a punch re the substantive arguments in the document says a lot, so keep up the good work!

As for the ... err ...what was it again? Oh yes, that TDO's document may be claiming to represent the views of the forum. Well it's funny that no one has ever complained about this before in relation to the any other articles on the site representing the views of TDO.

Presumably if you'd been that worried in the past then you would have said, or at least stopped posting.

Well, you have stopped posting several times, but have always come back!

So what's the evidence that TDO has been claiming that the document represents the views of the forum members? We've not seen it yet!!

Mmmm.. what is the old saying "The best form is defense is attack" :wink: Please remember that I have not slated the actual report. I have read it through thoroughly and quite frankly see no point in having protracted postings about any weaknesses it may, or indeed not have. What would be the point when the author is, quite rightly, proud of the project.

If you cannot take constructive criticism from a different angle then what was expected then that is your own personal failing. Were you expecting, or indeed relishing long drawn out protracted arguments? Which is quite typical of the legal profession :wink:

Yes, you are indeed correct that at times I stop posting. I no longer post with an alias. But if you really wish for the membership of this forum to decrease ( and lets face it there are only a Small. handful of members who actually bother to post anyway) then you certainly have the right attitude. But then perhaps you are actually right, maybe I should stop posting. :lol:



Mick,
do you remember the debate about certain private hire firms giving licensing brown enverlopes?

the one where you got a solicitors letter?

the one where all members had to be registered,(something you abused?)

remember the member you barred?


well, that member was indeed Mr Thumb


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 9:35 am 
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John he said 130 were present, what he ommitted is that they meet in the corner of a busy pub.

there isnt actually 130 members of the whole of Tand G in Gateshead.


If thats what you believe then so be it, maybe you would care to do some research into our involvement of the unions day of action. Try www.icnewcastle.co.uk


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:48 am 
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Anonymous wrote:
John he said 130 were present, what he ommitted is that they meet in the corner of a busy pub.

there isnt actually 130 members of the whole of Tand G in Gateshead.


If thats what you believe then so be it, maybe you would care to do some research into our involvement of the unions day of action. Try www.icnewcastle.co.uk



Hang on a minute, you dont have to be a member to take part in a day of action! non members are welcomed with open arms.

in the miners mass picketing of the 80s by a long chalk not all were miners.

this is beggining to look like fraud


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 4:06 pm 
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
John he said 130 were present, what he ommitted is that they meet in the corner of a busy pub.

there isnt actually 130 members of the whole of Tand G in Gateshead.


If thats what you believe then so be it, maybe you would care to do some research into our involvement of the unions day of action. Try www.icnewcastle.co.uk



Look stop treating people like fools.

anybody can take part in a day of action no union membership required.


you are getting like a sick joke


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Well, first of all, I would really like to put my name to the paper, as it is a work of absolute excellence. Sadly, however, it was not me who wrote it, so thats a shame.

Do I agree with everything written in it? Well, maybe not. But that is surely the reason to post it on the site? To excite debate?

One point I would make, if we are ever to recieve other such excellence, is numbered paragraphs.

And, as I consider myself a "poster" on this site, why was no mention of our De-limited Council area not made? Surely we could have been mentioned as an area where delimitation works well. :wink:

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