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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:48 am 
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Fair enough. Why not stick with the Cromwell idea and have restricted numbers of driver licences with premiums to ensure good behaviour?


Personally I'd prefer proper quality control and enforcement. And that way it would be a proper job and to that extent would encourage good behaviour because the drivers wouldn't want to lose it.
Spoken like a true licensing officer... more red tape.... means bigger salaries...... nice to see you back... to see you back nice... :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:36 am 
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Spoken like a true licensing officer... more red tape.... means bigger salaries...... nice to see you back... to see you back nice... :wink:


Thanks. And spoken like a true plate baron :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:50 am 
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TDO wrote:
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Fair enough. Why not stick with the Cromwell idea and have restricted numbers of driver licences with premiums to ensure good behaviour?

Personally I'd prefer proper quality control and enforcement. And that way it would be a proper job and to that extent would encourage good behaviour because the drivers wouldn't want to lose it.

Enforcement?

You're having a giraffe!!!

It's an impossible mission in cities like Brum and London and most other LAs.!!!

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Spoken like a true licensing officer... more red tape.... means bigger salaries...... nice to see you back... to see you back nice... :wink:

Thanks. And spoken like a true plate baron :wink:

Plate Barons, Private Hire Operators; what's the f*cking difference?

They both squeeze the pips out of drivers!!!!

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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Spoken like a true licensing officer... more red tape.... means bigger salaries...... nice to see you back... to see you back nice... :wink:

Thanks. And spoken like a true plate baron :wink:

Plate Barons, Private Hire Operators; what's the f*cking difference?

They both squeeze the pips out of drivers!!!!


Calm down dear, it's only a taxi forum.

And the two scenarios aren't quite the same.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:40 am 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Enforcement?

You're having a giraffe!!!

It's an impossible mission in cities like Brum and London and most other LAs.!!!


Yes, it's certainly a mess, but the London black cab trade demonstrates that quality control and enforcement can work.

And do you think limiting minicab plates in London, for example, would transform the trade? Don't think so.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:31 am 
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Enforcement?

You're having a giraffe!!!

It's an impossible mission in cities like Brum and London and most other LAs.!!!

Yes, it's certainly a mess, but the London black cab trade demonstrates that quality control and enforcement can work.

And do you think limiting minicab plates in London, for example, would transform the trade? Don't think so.

I have no problem with quality control, except the Brummie model of it!!

But I can't see how enforcement is working in London.

And as for limiting numbers of licensed vehicles; I believe the cloth should be tailored to the needs of the public and they certainly don't need lines of unemployed licensed vehicles blocking up roads to the detriment of others.

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This just might be a red herring... for why doesn't somebody making a comparison between the fisheries.... and the compensation that was paid out to the licence holders of fishing vessels.... that have to be scrapped... because there were too many....


You sound a bit fishy Cap'n Birdseye. I reckon you're from Sussex. Perhaps they didn't get compensated cos they weren't eligible under the Human Rights Act?

But they did!.


Wasn't this done by way of a scrappage scheme agreed by European ministers, as part of the common fisheries policy, rather than as any right to compensation under human rights law?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:13 am 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
I have no problem with quality control, except the Brummie model of it!!

But I can't see how enforcement is working in London.



Why, what's the big problem with the black cab trade?

The problem with London as far as I see it is that the minicab trade has historically been unregulated and the black cab sector is at the other extreme.

PH licensing and enforcement generally has no doubt helped a bit, but once the mess is made it takes a Herculean effort to clear it up, and I doubt if the PCO (or whatever it's called now) is up to the task.

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MR T wrote:
This just might be a red herring... for why doesn't somebody making a comparison between the fisheries.... and the compensation that was paid out to the licence holders of fishing vessels.... that have to be scrapped... because there were too many....


You sound a bit fishy Cap'n Birdseye. I reckon you're from Sussex. Perhaps they didn't get compensated cos they weren't eligible under the Human Rights Act?

But they did!.


Wasn't this done by way of a scrappage scheme agreed by European ministers, as part of the common fisheries policy, rather than as any right to compensation under human rights law?


I think the main point... is that they recognised the licence had a value... and still do I think.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:22 am 
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And do you think limiting minicab plates in London, for example, would transform the trade? Don't think so.


Perhaps not, but it would enhance my takings. :wink:

It would also enhance the wages of the thousands of drivers who are already licensed, and maybe stop them touting so much to make up the money.

Operators will take them on until the cows come home, and why wouldn't they at £100 squid a week? And once they wake up to the reality of sitting around for hours minus a job and move on, there's another mug waiting in the wings with dreams of making their millions.


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But there'll still be the same amount of drivers coming into the minicab trade, so I don't see your point.

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The points more past tense.

The stable doors are open, and the horse has most certainly bolted.

Only tighter regulation and much much higher standards will bring the numbers down now.

The ability to speak English would be a good start, that's 60% gone overnight if they make it retrospective.


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Indeed, but there are those who think limiting vehicle numbers is the answer, thus the same low standards but the same amount of drivers packed into a smaller number of vehicles, and drivers charged inflated rentals, thus no further forward earnings-wise, unless you happen to be one of the lucky plateholders.

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But there'll still be the same amount of drivers coming into the minicab trade, so I don't see your point.

You've made the point yourself for Mr GBC!!!

Drivers coming and going on a regular basis ad infinitum, no professionalism in the trade, encouraging a fly-by-night mini-cab trade with no real aspirations and no job satisfaction.

IMO, that's how it should NOT be done, because it devalues the mini-cab trade.

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