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Cab Trade News report into the OFT Study.
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Author:  Taxi Driver Online [ Mon Dec 01, 2003 5:40 pm ]
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In an article on the front and inside pages Mr Kavanagh gives an initial response from the T&G, under the headline "Superficial and Naive".

He points out, that in his view, the report has serious inadequacies, such as

i) The report doesn't assess or conclude; on the effects de-limitation would have on the PH trade. Would de-limitation lead to less licensed vehicles in the combined HC/PH fleet?

ii) He has serious concerns that at first the stats show that waiting times are less in restricted areas, but when further analyzed, the stats suddenly change to show that customers are in fact waiting longer in restricted areas.

iii) He points out that in Sheffield, despite the number of HCs rising by 50%, it only led to a 15 second reduction in customer waiting times.

His article finishes with comments saying that the government would be making a very grave mistake if it embraces the free-market madness advocated by the OFT report.
Author:  Sussex [ Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:57 pm ]
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

I can't quite work out, having just read the article, why in it he doesn't mention the safety concerns that OFT high-lighted. :? :?

Surely the T&G must have some regard for customers safety, but then again perhaps they don't.

Again the T&G get so mixed up in their nonsense, that they not only do the Blair thing of saying one thing, yet doing another. This time they say one thing, then say the other.

Apparantly de-limit will lead to many more taxis, but less cars available. :? :? Doesn't less cars mean more work for those out there?

He also mentions 'the old chestnuts'. This from the person who digs out the same old rubbish time and time again. But when the stats given out by the OFT are based on facts, it's an old chestnut.

However if the T&G are happy to allow a million + people (at least once a year) get into un-licensed vehicles, then they should say so, not hide behind out dated legislation and dogmar.
Author:  2old4this [ Mon Dec 01, 2003 10:31 pm ]
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Who is Mr Kavanagh
Author:  Sussex [ Mon Dec 01, 2003 10:53 pm ]
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The mouth piece of the T&G's cab section.

Has he ever driven a HC or a PH?

I will give you as many guesses as you need, to say NO !!!!
Author:  scanner [ Tue Dec 02, 2003 1:06 am ]
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Sussex Man wrote:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

However if the T&G are happy to allow a million + people (at least once a year) get into un-licensed vehicles, then they should say so, not hide behind out dated legislation and dogmar.


Hey!... Lets wipe out crime records and legalise every criminal activity.
Author:  Guest [ Tue Dec 02, 2003 2:46 am ]
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Sussex Man wrote:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

I can't quite work out, having just read the article, why in it he doesn't mention the safety concerns that OFT high-lighted. :? :?

Surely the T&G must have some regard for customers safety, but then again perhaps they don't.

Again the T&G get so mixed up in their nonsense, that they not only do the Blair thing of saying one thing, yet doing another. This time they say one thing, then say the other.

Apparantly de-limit will lead to many more taxis, but less cars available. :? :? Doesn't less cars mean more work for those out there?

He also mentions 'the old chestnuts'. This from the person who digs out the same old rubbish time and time again. But when the stats given out by the OFT are based on facts, it's an old chestnut.

However if the T&G are happy to allow a million + people (at least once a year) get into un-licensed vehicles, then they should say so, not hide behind out dated legislation and dogmar.




Sussex,

hes one extreme you are the other, there is so much space between.

predjudiced both of you
Author:  Sussex [ Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:07 am ]
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scanner wrote:
Hey!... Lets wipe out crime records and legalise every criminal activity.


No not wipe out criminal records, but stop the crime happening again in the future.
Author:  Sussex [ Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:10 am ]
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Anonymous wrote:
Sussex,

hes one extreme you are the other, there is so much space between.

predjudiced both of you


Spot on, but it's mainly the fault of those that govern us.

Still if we change the cause of the problem, the crazy them and us situation, then it may get better.
Author:  Alex [ Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:00 pm ]
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It would be nice if any of the union's spokes-people could come on Taxi Driver Online, and put their points across to the trade.

They would be most welcome.

Alex
Author:  Guest [ Tue Dec 02, 2003 11:20 pm ]
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Alex wrote:
It would be nice if any of the union's spokes-people could come on Taxi Driver Online, and put their points across to the trade.

They would be most welcome.

Alex


joking! welcome? from whome? Sussex?

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Author:  scanner [ Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:51 am ]
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Sussex Man wrote:
scanner wrote:
Hey!... Lets wipe out crime records and legalise every criminal activity.


No not wipe out criminal records, but stop the crime happening again in the future.


I think that it has been suggested that there are a million illegal hirings and so inferred that this is because of the "lack" of plates. Thus, those illegal hirings could be made legal by a mass issue of licences.

So, to reduce the crime records... just legalise criminal activity.
Author:  Guest [ Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:41 am ]
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OK. I am missing the point here or something.

If we are going to talk of the statistics of illegal hirings, and attacks upon customers from usually wholly unlicensed car drivers purporting to be cabs, then can we be clear that these are not attacks by "Taxi or PH Drivers" but actually, they are attacks by members of the general public pretending to be cab drivers.

Then, if we add the often unprovoked attacks on taxi and PH drivers by the general public, we can see that, statistically, it is the general public who are the dangerous criminals.

I thus repeat my call for full Enhanced CRB checks for all members of the general public.

Any member of the general public whom cannot produce a satisfactory CRB check, should thus be deported to France immediately, under the EU Freedom of Movement Directive.

Alternatively, just give everyone a Hackney plate, and you will immediately see that the proportionate crime figures will then reduce to a miniscule proportion.
Author:  scanner [ Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:08 am ]
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My point was that it has been said ( in complete ignorance, & mostly in the media and also at least once on here) is that there are a lot of illegal hirings. Now we know that the majority of these are from bogus cabs. However, the solution given to this "problem", is to de-limit, thus cure this illegal actvity instead of actually tackling and prosecuting the offenders.

That is not to say that in some areas that there not should indeed be many more licensed taxis. In some areas I reckon there should be. But there should not be a blanket proposal which supposedly legalises illegal hirings. Ilegal hirings will continue no matter how many licenses are issued.
Author:  Guest [ Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:39 pm ]
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scanner wrote:
My point was that it has been said ( in complete ignorance, & mostly in the media and also at least once on here) is that there are a lot of illegal hirings. Now we know that the majority of these are from bogus cabs. However, the solution given to this "problem", is to de-limit, thus cure this illegal actvity instead of actually tackling and prosecuting the offenders.

That is not to say that in some areas that there not should indeed be many more licensed taxis. In some areas I reckon there should be. But there should not be a blanket proposal which supposedly legalises illegal hirings. Ilegal hirings will continue no matter how many licenses are issued.


good try scanner there is a hell of a twist of facts there!

in fact the delimit proposals is about creating a free market.
Author:  Dusty Bin [ Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:39 pm ]
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Anonymous wrote:
Then, if we add the often unprovoked attacks on taxi and PH drivers by the general public, we can see that, statistically, it is the general public who are the dangerous criminals.




Nice one, Mr Guest.

One irony is that one of the biggest deterrents to driving a taxi at night is the general public (!), and this in turn leads to lack of availability and trouble on the streets and pick ups by PH and pirate cabs, with the OFT report acknowledging that police often turn a blind eye to this in the interests of public order.

Another interesting point in this regard is that the OFT didn't mention the new licensing laws, which should alleviate the situation late at night.

Or at least I don't think they mentioned it!

Dusty
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