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 Post subject: TGWU critique
PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 6:24 am 
Read the article here:

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/tgwucritique.htm

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 9:13 am 
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So they are saying that all new drivers should work at night. :?

They criticise the existing un-met demand surveys and then praise them. :?

They say that we all earn £55,000 a year. :?

They say that all drivers will leave the phone work, then they say that drivers will then leave the path work. :?

They praise an area that has done one un-met survey in the last 12 years. :?

I could go on and on and on...........................

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 2:25 pm 
That is below the line the news isnt news at all but an opinion, the bias against t and g all the way through.

meaning this site is now officialy anti t and g.

come on withdraw this item and rewrite it, criticism can be added where it should be in the e-mails


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 3:06 pm 
Sorry whatever but i agree with it. but even if i didnt are you saying you should only have views from one side.
Im a taxi driver and have a lot to lose but im at least perpared to hear the other side.
It looks like if you dont like a point you dont want anyone else to read it.
Thats not good at all and makes the whole taxi and private ire trade look very bad.
Wake up.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 9:07 pm 
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Whatever Mick wrote:
That is below the line the news isnt news at all but an opinion, the bias against t and g all the way through.

meaning this site is now officialy anti t and g.

come on withdraw this item and rewrite it, criticism can be added where it should be in the e-mails


Now that's just being plain daft.

Saying TDO is anti T&G because an author has written a rebuttal to their OFT submission, is like saying that TDO is anti PH because they printed in full Cab-force's submission to the Scottish powers that be.

I believe it's called freedom of speech. :?

Anyone and everyone has been invited to write for TDO's front-page, some take it up, and others decide not too.

However if anyone disagree with anything written on TDO's front-page, they have an excellent way to respond, it's called the discussion forum.

As for the issues involved in the article, why not debate them?

Are you saying that all new drivers should work nights?

Do you think it's right that in the T&G's OFT reply, they praise then criticize the current way of assessing demand?

How many cab drivers to you know earn £55,000?

How can they say that all phone work will suffer and then say that all taxi drivers will go on circuits?

Is having one survey in 12 years, a good example of 'managed growth'?

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Whatever Mick wrote:
meaning this site is now officialy anti t and g.


Absolutely not, no way.

Please everyone point out where the author has got it wrong, or for that matter got it right.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 12:54 am 
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Sorry whatever but i agree with it. but even if i didnt are you saying you should only have views from one side.
Im a taxi driver and have a lot to lose but im at least perpared to hear the other side.
It looks like if you dont like a point you dont want anyone else to read it.
Thats not good at all and makes the whole taxi and private ire trade look very bad.
Wake up.


there should not be any other side in the news section it should be straight fact on which the bun fight should commence.

there are opinions there of the author there shouldnt be.

As for Alex saying no way yes this was anti t and g in the fact pool its wrong.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 12:58 am 
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Whatever Mick wrote:
That is below the line the news isnt news at all but an opinion, the bias against t and g all the way through.

meaning this site is now officialy anti t and g.

come on withdraw this item and rewrite it, criticism can be added where it should be in the e-mails


Now that's just being plain daft.

Saying TDO is anti T&G because an author has written a rebuttal to their OFT submission, is like saying that TDO is anti PH because they printed in full Cab-force's submission to the Scottish powers that be.

I believe it's called freedom of speech. :?

Anyone and everyone has been invited to write for TDO's front-page, some take it up, and others decide not too.

However if anyone disagree with anything written on TDO's front-page, they have an excellent way to respond, it's called the discussion forum.

As for the issues involved in the article, why not debate them?

Are you saying that all new drivers should work nights?

Do you think it's right that in the T&G's OFT reply, they praise then criticize the current way of assessing demand?

How many cab drivers to you know earn £55,000?

How can they say that all phone work will suffer and then say that all taxi drivers will go on circuits?

Is having one survey in 12 years, a good example of 'managed growth'?



no Sussex you fell into the trap.
free speach is on the forums and good they are to not in the news section fact only,

there should be no rebbutal in the news section, do that here.

thats why you had the section that everyone is jelous of? to provide raw fact for the debate.

this latest tranch of news items all contained opinion its wrong that is supposed to be the voice of the forum and be independent. factual.


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I don’t know what you’re getting on your high horse about Wharfy – the flyer we sent out pointed out that there were no news stories because of the festive season, and therefore there were just four opinions. So far we’ve generally had a mixture of news and opinion. The news has generally been national stuff, plus a few local bits and pieces relating to places that are well known to contributors.

As for other local news, most of the stuff in the trade publications is taken from the local press, which I assume they have to pay for. We have no subscription income or advertising revenue, so there’s not much chance of us paying for the privilege of carrying local news stories from the provincial press. Indeed, the site and forum is paid for out of our own pockets and maintained in our own time, and all we get in return is grief from people like yourself who seem to think that we should be following your agenda instead of our own.

If you look at other trade publications most of the articles are either opinion or stuff from the local press, so to the extent that we can’t pay for the latter then we’re just the same as them, so what’s the problem? The site can easily be redesigned to carry a few local stories as well, so if you want to pay for them out of your own pocket then go ahead, but otherwise we can’t really do much more.

As I said the trade press has plenty of opinion pieces, and ours are clearly marked as such. In any case, just because something masquerades as news, for example, that doesn’t mean to say that it is. Look at Cab Trade News, for example, where there is actually little in the way of actual news in the sense that you mean it, but most of us are adult enough to realise this and don’t make a song and dance about it.

I really can’t see the problem – we’ve had opinion pieces from both sides of the argument, and if the T&G had asked us to include their OFT submission (or anything else for that matter) then we would have done so. And there’s also the forum for anyone to reply.

I’m not exactly sure what your point is, but I can’t see any of the established trade publications trying to encourage free speech and different opinions in the way that we are.

If you don’t like it then you can always set up your own site.

Dusty


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 3:46 am 
Dusty Bin wrote:
I don’t know what you’re getting on your high horse about Wharfy – the flyer we sent out pointed out that there were no news stories because of the festive season, and therefore there were just four opinions. So far we’ve generally had a mixture of news and opinion. The news has generally been national stuff, plus a few local bits and pieces relating to places that are well known to contributors.

As for other local news, most of the stuff in the trade publications is taken from the local press, which I assume they have to pay for. We have no subscription income or advertising revenue, so there’s not much chance of us paying for the privilege of carrying local news stories from the provincial press. Indeed, the site and forum is paid for out of our own pockets and maintained in our own time, and all we get in return is grief from people like yourself who seem to think that we should be following your agenda instead of our own.

If you look at other trade publications most of the articles are either opinion or stuff from the local press, so to the extent that we can’t pay for the latter then we’re just the same as them, so what’s the problem? The site can easily be redesigned to carry a few local stories as well, so if you want to pay for them out of your own pocket then go ahead, but otherwise we can’t really do much more.

As I said the trade press has plenty of opinion pieces, and ours are clearly marked as such. In any case, just because something masquerades as news, for example, that doesn’t mean to say that it is. Look at Cab Trade News, for example, where there is actually little in the way of actual news in the sense that you mean it, but most of us are adult enough to realise this and don’t make a song and dance about it.

I really can’t see the problem – we’ve had opinion pieces from both sides of the argument, and if the T&G had asked us to include their OFT submission (or anything else for that matter) then we would have done so. And there’s also the forum for anyone to reply.

I’m not exactly sure what your point is, but I can’t see any of the established trade publications trying to encourage free speech and different opinions in the way that we are.

If you don’t like it then you can always set up your own site.

Dusty



If you dont know what I am getting at why the long defense?

and the agenda one is revealing, what is your agenda?

you know exactly what I am getting at and judging from your reply, underneath that tin you think I have a point. indeed I have.

I remember reading that you intended all your news stories to be fact.

the one about copying and fees is a red herring there are scores of copies of local stories.

and what grief are you talking about? thought this site believed in free speach?

you are beggining to sound like the failures, which you are not, after all you are currently running the buisiest cab site on the webb. and overall you are doing a good job.

now binnie stop showing the soft exterior, bins get thrown around all day.

take it you had a bad night?


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Whatever Mick wrote:
there should not be any other side in the news section it should be straight fact on which the bun fight should commence.

there are opinions there of the author there shouldnt be.

As for Alex saying no way yes this was anti t and g in the fact pool its wrong.


And isn't it so exciting reading straight facts? :?

So you only want to read things you agree with? :?

Did Alex say the site wasn't anti T&G, or is he a liar? :?

And why are we debating the stance of TDO, instead of the issues in the article? :?

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Anonymous wrote:
If you dont know what I am getting at why the long defense?

and the agenda one is revealing, what is your agenda?

you know exactly what I am getting at and judging from your reply, underneath that tin you think I have a point. indeed I have.

I remember reading that you intended all your news stories to be fact.

the one about copying and fees is a red herring there are scores of copies of local stories.

and what grief are you talking about? thought this site believed in free speach?

you are beggining to sound like the failures, which you are not, after all you are currently running the buisiest cab site on the webb. and overall you are doing a good job.

now binnie stop showing the soft exterior, bins get thrown around all day.

take it you had a bad night?


If the article is wrong, then instead of repeated that the article is wrong, show me where it is.

This is so much more fun, then discussing whether the article is pro this that or the other.
Or better still, write your own reposte. :shock:

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 1:40 pm 
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Anonymous wrote:
If you dont know what I am getting at why the long defense?

and the agenda one is revealing, what is your agenda?

you know exactly what I am getting at and judging from your reply, underneath that tin you think I have a point. indeed I have.

I remember reading that you intended all your news stories to be fact.

the one about copying and fees is a red herring there are scores of copies of local stories.

and what grief are you talking about? thought this site believed in free speach?

you are beggining to sound like the failures, which you are not, after all you are currently running the buisiest cab site on the webb. and overall you are doing a good job.

now binnie stop showing the soft exterior, bins get thrown around all day.

take it you had a bad night?


If the article is wrong, then instead of repeated that the article is wrong, show me where it is.

This is so much more fun, then discussing whether the article is pro this that or the other.
Or better still, write your own reposte. :shock:




dunno what yer mean by wrong, its just an opinion.
hense not news


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Anonymous wrote:
If you dont know what I am getting at why the long defense?

and the agenda one is revealing, what is your agenda?

you know exactly what I am getting at and judging from your reply, underneath that tin you think I have a point. indeed I have.

I remember reading that you intended all your news stories to be fact.

the one about copying and fees is a red herring there are scores of copies of local stories.

and what grief are you talking about? thought this site believed in free speach?

you are beggining to sound like the failures, which you are not, after all you are currently running the buisiest cab site on the webb. and overall you are doing a good job.

now binnie stop showing the soft exterior, bins get thrown around all day.

take it you had a bad night?


The long 'defense' was because it seemed obvious that you needed a reply of some detail since what is obvious to the vast majority clearly isn't to everyone, but clearly this was still not enough. Talk about making a mountain out of what is not even a molehill!!

The agenda is to have news and opinion, this should have been obvious from my post. Your agenda is clearly different. Sorry, you lost.

There has been news and opinion on the frontpage from the kick off, so why try to make out that it was ever any different?

If you're that interested in local news then there's obviously a niche there for your own website - don't let us put you off.

As regards free speech, you are free to say what you want, but in my view it's just grief over nothing. Touche.

Dusty


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 4:49 pm 
ok back to square one that makes it an anti T and G site

cos they aint a chance with you 3


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