Taxi Driver Online :: View topic - Is York another Trafford?

12. The most recent survey was conducted on Thursday 9 December 2004 and Saturday 11 December 2004, and is available on the Council’s website under Executive Decisions (Decision Making on line)@www.york.gov.uk.

JD wrote:

That's not a proper SUD survey, its a pathetic attempt, by a pathetic council, desperately trying to hang on to a pathetic policy.

The folks who should be very concerned at such a botched attempt at keeping taxi quotas aren't the lads on the taxi waiting list, but the existing taxi owners.

York council, by their actions, have left a gapping hole for anyone with a little bit of sense, and maybe a helping hand from the net, to apply and succeed in getting as many plates as they wish. :wink:

Apart from the survey the report seems fairly balanced to me, and there's certainly some stuff in it that would help the pro-derestriction case, such as plate values, that could well have been omitted if the LO wanted to make a more concrete case for the status quo.

So there's 158 taxis but 531 PH - no wonder there's no little unmet demand, since the slack has obviously been taken up by the PH trade.

I have heard that GNER will refuse to have Council officials to monitor the Station taxi rank in any future survey

So there's 158 taxis but 531 PH - no wonder there's no little unmet demand, since the slack has obviously been taken up by the PH trade.

Stinky Pete wrote:

I have heard that GNER will refuse to have Council officials to monitor the Station taxi rank in any future survey

They usually use cameras nowadays, so as long as they can position it in sight of the station, then that shouldn't cause too much of a problem.

Of course there is now the cheaper version of survey similar to what they have used in Manchester. There they didn't use rank observations, just customer views and plate values. :wink:

rollocks, a Railway rank is private, and connot be surveyed,, even tho I am not one of the elite to use the rank

I'm assuming that the rank is an adopted one, by the council. If not then taxis shouldn't be there.

But if it is adopted, then people waiting are waiting for taxis. Thus a survey must take it into account because any un-met demand is taxi un-met demand. :wink:

The council and GNER took the council hack stand outside the station away, and made another private hackney carriage stand on GNER car park land to feed the railway station rank,

The [station shareholders] think are there are all set up, if and when dereg comes they got the station captive rank, the extra 14 plates the council are thinking about putting on, because of the survey results, the council with think yep thats another problem solved at the station, but no, the new plate owners will not be able to obtain or purchase a permit to ply the railway as the permit issue numbers are restrictive to a certain figure

Author:	JD [ Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:25 pm ]
Post subject:	Is York another Trafford?
I know TDO has several subscribers from the York area so I have posted the relevant agenda report that Dick Haswell submitted to the T&A panel on the 7th September 2005. I'm sure many of you have already read this report but when I finally got around to reading it alarm bells started to ring in my head. In general terms the report states that a period of 12 months should elapse before a decision on policy is made and in the meantime the status quo should remain the same. York might have had the luxury of finding themselves in the position of deferring their decision for 12 months if they had conducted an independent survey? It turns out that LO Dick Haswell has been kidding councillors and all the 139 applicants on the waiting list for a hackney carriage license, that the periodical limited in-house surveys conducted by York council are sufficient to ward off a legal challenge? I have my doubts that York has ever had an independent survey to measure demand? These limited so-called in-house surveys have been going on since 1997, with one in 2001/2 and one in December 2004. In fact this report actually relies on The Dec 2004 in-house survey as justification for their policy of deferment. It is also significant that the so-called in-house survey was conducted in only two days and states there is a demand for Hackney carriages. I'm surprised that an administration such as York would be so complacent as to think this ridiculous method would be good enough to satisfy a court of law. The bottom line is that York is in for a rude awakening if they ever get a legal challenge for twenty or thirty licenses. ............................................................................... I have posted the conclusions to the in-house survey of 2004 first and the report of Dick Haswell second. Conclusions The 2004 taxi surveys were undertaken on a Thursday and Saturday in December. The Station and St Saviourgate ranks were the most used of these full-time facilities. Of those ranks that were only surveyed throughout the evening St Leonard’s Place and Clifford Street had the highest passenger usage. Passenger queues and delays were highest at Station Portico, Ikon and Diva, Clifford Street and Toft Green on Saturday night between midnight and 03:00, although all surveyed ranks were busy at this time and the survey at Rougier Street was not completed. These passenger queues and delays are likely to be a result of passengers leaving York’s pubs and nightclubs at closing times. The survey showed that the number of taxis in operation and the number of taxi movements increases throughout the day but all of York’s licensed hackney carriages were not in operation during any one time period. This survey and previous surveys have shown that not all licensed taxis operate during periods of high demand. It is clear therefore that the existing fleet does not satisfy the demand at peak times and a slight increase to the number of taxis is necessary. ............................................................................................... Executive Member for Planning and Transport & Advisory Panel 7 September 2005 Report of the Deputy Chief Executive HACKNEY CARRIAGE VEHICLE LICENCES (TAXI LICENCES) Purpose of Report 1. This report advises Members of the Governments Action Plan for Taxis and Private Hire Vehicles and requests the Executive Member to recommend to the Licensing Committee proposals to review the City of York’s policy on quantity control of hackney carriages. Background 2. The Office of Fair Trading (OFT) issued a report in November 2003 regarding the regulation of licensed taxi and private hire services in the UK. 3. The main recommendation contained in that report was that local authorities relinquish their powers to limit the number of taxis licensed in their area. 4. The government responded to that report on 18 March 2004 by way of a written statement in the House of Commons. The written statement included an Action Plan for Taxis and Private Hire Vehicles, which is attached as Annex 1. 5. Members attention is drawn particularly to paragraphs 4 and 5 of the Action Plan in relation to the quantity control of taxis, which state. “The Government agrees that consumers should enjoy the benefits of competition in the taxi market and considers that it is detrimental to those seeking entry into the market if it is restricted …. Restrictions should only be maintained if there is strong justification that the removal of the restrictions would lead to significant consumer detriment as a result of local conditions………… The Government believes that local authorities should be given the opportunity to assess their own need in the light of the OFT findings rather than moving to a legislative solution”. 6. The Department of Transport has now requested that local authorities review their local policies in relation to restricting the number of taxi vehicle licences they issue, to publish the outcome of the review, and copy that review to the government. The initial request was for this to be concluded by 31 March 2005, which was subsequently extended to 30 June 2005. 7. A letter has been sent to the Department of Transport advising that City of York is currently reviewing its policy and a response will be forwarded to the department in due course. Current Taxi Licensing Policy for City of York 8. City of York currently limits the licences it issues to 158 taxis that operate from 12 full time ranks and 7 part-time ranks. Work is currently been undertaken into the adequacy and position of existing taxi ranks. The most recent releases of taxi vehicle licences occurred between 1993 and 1995 when 20 dedicated wheelchair accessible vehicles licences were issued following a survey of unmet demand. In 1996 a further 18 vehicle licences were transferred from Ryedale District Council as a result of local authority boundary review. These vehicles are driven by 261 licensed drivers. Some vehicles being double driven or in some instances triple driven. 9. At the time of preparing this report there were 531 licensed private hire vehicles driven by 563 licensed drivers. There is no limit on the number of private hire vehicle licences issued. Assessment of taxi provision in York 10. In order to inform any decision on the adequacy of the current taxi provision in the City, surveys of unmet demand and consumer consultation have taken place. An examination of vehicle licence plate values has also been undertaken. Survey of unmet demand 11. The use of such surveys is common in the industry to assess whether the number of taxis is adequate to meet the requirements of the taxi travelling public. Surveys measure waiting times for both passengers and vehicles at taxi ranks. In York, officers in the transport planning unit conduct surveys independently of the taxi licensing section. Over recent years surveys have been conducted in 1997, 2001/02 and in December 2004. The results of the 1997 2001/02 surveys were reported to Members indicating that there was no significant unmet demand for more licensed taxis. 12. The most recent survey was conducted on Thursday 9 December 2004 and Saturday 11 December 2004, and is available on the Council’s website under Executive Decisions (Decision Making on line)@www.york.gov.uk. 13. This survey indicates that on the days examined the numbers of taxis in service and the number of taxi movements increases throughout the day with the peak times being between 2200 and 0200 hours. During this peak period on the Saturday, passengers experienced the maximum average delay of between 20 and 25 minutes. The highest average passenger delay on Thursday was at 0100 hours when it reached between 8 and 9 minutes. 14. The report of the survey concludes: “The 2004 taxi surveys were undertaken on a Thursday and Saturday in December. The Station and St Saviourgate ranks were the most used of these full-time facilities. Of those ranks that were only surveyed throughout the evening St Leonard’s Place and Clifford Street had the highest passenger usage. Passenger queues and delays were highest at Station Portico, Clifford Street and Toft Green on Saturday night between midnight and 03:00, although all surveyed ranks were busy at this time. The survey at Rougier Street was not completed. These passenger queues and delays are likely to be a result of passengers leaving York’s pubs and nightclubs at closing times. The survey showed that the number of taxis in operation and the number of taxi movements increases throughout the day but all of York’s licensed hackney carriages were not in operation during any one time period. This survey and previous surveys have shown that not all licensed taxis operate during periods of high demand. It is clear therefore that the existing fleet does not satisfy the demand at peak times and a slight increase to the number of taxis is necessary”. 15. The survey has been scrutinised by the York Taxi Association who have responded in a letter dated 13 April 2005 in saying the reports are misleading as they are only done on 2 days of the week, but they are also always done on the busiest day (Saturday) of the week and either the second or third busiest day (Friday or Thursday) of the week. They also raised issues with the position of the observers. Talk About Survey: August 2004 16. The Talk About panel was used to obtain user views about travelling by taxi in York. The following headline statistics relevant to taxi numbers were obtained. · 82% of respondents use taxis to travel around York. · 18% “ “ using taxis at least once a fortnight · 66% “ “ have not experienced any difficulties in obtaining a taxi · 31% “ “ have experienced occasional difficulties · 3% “ “ have difficulties most times they use them · 11% “ “ with a disability are particularly likely to experience a difficulty Stakeholder Consultation 17. In addition to the Talk About Survey the following interest groups were consulted directly. (a) York Taxi Association (b) York Private Hire Association (c) York Station Taxis (d) York Access Group (e) York Hospitality Association (f) York Chamber of Commerce (g) York Blind & Partially Sighted Association 18. Responses were received from the York Taxi Association (YTA), York Station Taxis, York Hospitality Association and York Access Group. These responses are attached at Annex 2, York Private Hire Association have responded verbally to say that due to the diverse view amongst their members no representative reply could be given. Both the YTA and Station Taxis are opposed any de-restriction on taxi licence numbers. York Access Group state that whilst they are not aware of a shortage of taxis for able-bodied people, they still feel that there is room for improvement for those customers using wheelchairs and people with other disabilities. The York Hospitality Association states that there are insufficient taxis. Their reference appears to relate to the availability of transport for staff customers. This provision is more likely to be satisfied by the private hire trade where the number of vehicle licences is unlimited. Plate (Vehicle Licence) Values 19. Legislation allows for plates to be transferred, which, in areas where restrictions are in place, have a significant capital value. The values vary from place to place and the government cite high values as being an indication of unmet demand for taxis in that area. Recently published data shows a range of values from £10K - £70K. Plates are currently being transferred in York at around £40K. 20. Another indication of plate value is the rent charged by hackney carriage proprietors for others to drive their vehicle. In York this amounts to £150 - £200 per week for vehicles. Of the 158 licensed vehicles 49 rent out their vehicle to others to drive. Summary and Appraisal of Review Unmet demand Survey 21. The surveys indicate that even at peak demand not all licensed taxis are working at any one time. The 2004 survey shows the maximum number of vehicles at any one time being 111 out of the 158 licensed taxis. Whilst there are variations in passenger waiting times on different days of the week all surveys indicate that the greatest passenger delays occur after 2300 hours on Friday and Saturday nights. 22. It is apparent that the existing trade fails to satisfy the demand for transport late at night and in the early hours of the morning. This trade is primarily linked to the late night hospitality economy. As a result of the Licensing Act 2003, which takes full effect in November 2005, the pattern of late night trade is likely to change significantly with the dispersal of people from late night venues taking place over a longer period of time. This will obviously have a significant, but indeterminable, effect on the demand for taxis at this period of the day. Other factors relating to demand 23. Trading values of existing taxi vehicle licence plates are in the upper third of those authorities where values are known. 31% of taxi vehicle licence holders do not drive their own vehicles but derive income from renting out the taxi for others to drive. This arrangement encourages taxis to be double driven. This effectively maximises the availability of licensed vehicles available for hire. 24. A waiting list currently exists for vehicle licences. In effect because of the restriction on the number of licences issued and the commercial value attached to the transfer of licences, no licences become available for the Council to re-issue. There are currently 139 names on the waiting list. Customer Surveys 25. The Talk About survey indicates that in general customers are able to order or catch a taxi (or private hire vehicle) when required. The survey does however indicate that people with disabilities are less well served by the taxi trade. These views being supported by the York Access Group. 26. In the existing taxi fleet of 158 vehicles there are 20 dedicated wheelchair accessible licences. Although every encouragement is given to other licence holders to provide wheelchair accessible vehicles only one has chosen to do so. It is generally understood that the trade objection is one of cost. Wheelchair accessible vehicles being more expensive to purchase and run. The Government has indicated that it intends to introduce the mandatory requirement for accessible taxis, as provided for in the Disability Discrimination Act 1995, in a phased implementation between 2010 and 2020. 27. The Council already has a policy that any new vehicle licences issued will have a requirement for the vehicle to be wheelchair accessible. Appraisal 28. Members will appreciate that this is an extremely complex issue with many facets to the debate. The views of those who already hold vehicle licences will obviously be different to those who wish to gain entry to the trade. 29. Members are reminded of the Governments position in which it believes that restrictions should only be retained where there is shown to be a clear benefit for the consumer. The Government considers that unless a specific case can be made, it is not in the interests of consumers for market entry to be refused to those who meet application criteria. Options Available 30. The Government, in their letter to Local Authorities, indicate that the outcome of a review will be either: (i) to deregulate and thereby grant a taxi licence to anyone meeting the application criteria, or (ii) to continue restricting the number of taxi licences issued. In this case, three scenarios would appear to be possible outcomes: · Maintaining the current limit of taxi licences · Granting a number of new licences to meet the unmet demand that you have identified by means of a new survey · Granting a specific number of new licences each year 31. The outcomes of this review in terms of quantity control of taxis in the City of York are that: (a) During a significant part of the day the existing taxi trade meets the requirements of most customers (b) There is an unmet demand for taxis operating to service the late night trade particularly at the weekends. (c) The existing fleet of vehicles fails to meet the requirements of the disabled customer as it does for the able bodied. 32. This review has not attempted to examine quality issues relating to the existing taxi fleet, however the Government’s Action Plan indicates the need to regulate quality and safety standards. The Government intends to produce best practice guidance in this area. Members may however, when considering vehicle numbers, have regard to the quality standards of any new vehicles that may be licensed and the existing licensed cars. Opportunity would be available to introduce new vehicle standards as well as applying the wheelchair accessible requirement. 33. Attached at Annex 3 is an appraisal of the likely results of the adoption of the options available. Financial Implications 34. The taxi and private hire licensing accounts are designed to meet the requirements of legislation by balancing expenditure against income derived from licence fees. The only financial implications for the Council resulting from the selection of any option would be the costs of any potential legal challenge to that decision. Recommendation 35. That the Executive Member makes the following recommendations to the Licensing Committee. (1) That the current limit of taxi licences be maintained for a further 12 months to (a) Allow the completion of the reassessment of taxi ranking space. (b) To allow for a full assessment of the effects of the Licensing Act 2003 on the late night taxi trade to be undertaken. (c) To allow for an appraisal of existing vehicle standards with particular reference to meeting the needs of disabled customers.

Author:	Sussex [ Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:22 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Is York another Trafford?
JD wrote: 12. The most recent survey was conducted on Thursday 9 December 2004 and Saturday 11 December 2004, and is available on the Council’s website under Executive Decisions (Decision Making on line)@www.york.gov.uk. That's not a proper SUD survey, its a pathetic attempt, by a pathetic council, desperately trying to hang on to a pathetic policy. The folks who should be very concerned at such a botched attempt at keeping taxi quotas aren't the lads on the taxi waiting list, but the existing taxi owners. York council, by their actions, have left a gapping hole for anyone with a little bit of sense, and maybe a helping hand from the net, to apply and succeed in getting as many plates as they wish.

Author:	TDO [ Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:35 pm ]
Post subject:
Apart from the survey the report seems fairly balanced to me, and there's certainly some stuff in it that would help the pro-derestriction case, such as plate values, that could well have been omitted if the LO wanted to make a more concrete case for the status quo.

Author:	JD [ Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:37 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Is York another Trafford?
Sussex wrote: JD wrote: 12. The most recent survey was conducted on Thursday 9 December 2004 and Saturday 11 December 2004, and is available on the Council’s website under Executive Decisions (Decision Making on line)@www.york.gov.uk. That's not a proper SUD survey, its a pathetic attempt, by a pathetic council, desperately trying to hang on to a pathetic policy. The folks who should be very concerned at such a botched attempt at keeping taxi quotas aren't the lads on the taxi waiting list, but the existing taxi owners. York council, by their actions, have left a gapping hole for anyone with a little bit of sense, and maybe a helping hand from the net, to apply and succeed in getting as many plates as they wish. I agree entirely. I was under the impression that York were carrying out a bona fide independent survey until I dug a little deeper. I can't believe this has been going on since 1997 and no one has sought to challenge it. It would seem there is enough interest on the waiting to suggest that a group of them might get together and do something about it. Tunbridge wells is another classic case, they have never had a survey and are currently having problems finding funds to conduct one. I understand that if push comes to shove and they get a challenge they will delimit. Regards JD

Author:	TDO [ Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:38 pm ]
Post subject:
So there's 158 taxis but 531 PH - no wonder there's no little unmet demand, since the slack has obviously been taken up by the PH trade.

Taxi Driver Online http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/

Is York another Trafford? http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2876	Page 1 of 2

Author:	JD [ Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:47 pm ]
Post subject:
TDO wrote: Apart from the survey the report seems fairly balanced to me, and there's certainly some stuff in it that would help the pro-derestriction case, such as plate values, that could well have been omitted if the LO wanted to make a more concrete case for the status quo. Yes the report is balanced, where they fall down is the in-house survey. No doubt Dick Haswell would dissagree? Regards JD

Author:	Stinky Pete [ Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:52 am ]
Post subject:
the surveys where carried out on the most busiest time of year, which was a Saturday night pay week end and a Thursday late night shop pre xmas shoppping night believe you me there are not 12 full time ranks, there are 2, St Saviourgate, holding 12 hacks and Duncome place, about 10 hack capacity, the 3rd being York Station which is limited to permit holders only, after the trains finish it full o scum anyway, but they don't take scrum into account the rest of the ranks are night time 3 or 4 hour ranks The Station rank is the problem with people waiting for hours for a taxi, Ikon and Diva does not exist, closed down by police, Toft Green, outside the night club is the scum of the earth, want your cab thrashing sir, we have heard that during the next 12 months because of late licences [drinking dens[ they are going to review the situation, maybe 14 more hack licences to go on to cover the early hours, thats ok but during the working week you can't scratch a living, more and more hack cab drivers have other income interests, then just hammer it at the weekends The report goes on that there is a shortage of cabs that don't work the small early hours, the scum that appear on ranks is enough to turn a hardened cab driver to head for home, the same will apply if they put more on to cover the early hours

Author:	Stinky Pete [ Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:41 am ]
Post subject:
TDO wrote: So there's 158 taxis but 531 PH - no wonder there's no little unmet demand, since the slack has obviously been taken up by the PH trade. The main demand from the outcome of the 20004 York survey comes from the GNER taxi rank, a captive rank, ie. clear up the other ranks as you pass and leave the Station GNER rank for last for that extra Work, a well known saying for members of York Station taxi rank paying members, Shareholders and cover cars, mainly day time workers I have heard that GNER will refuse to have Council officials to monitor the Station taxi rank in any future survey I myself a independant Hack, like many others[hacks] are refused on face value to purchase or even be considered a GNER permit pick up because of the shareholders of Station taxis York shareholders views.

Author:	Sussex [ Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:13 am ]
Post subject:
Stinky Pete wrote: I have heard that GNER will refuse to have Council officials to monitor the Station taxi rank in any future survey They usually use cameras nowadays, so as long as they can position it in sight of the station, then that shouldn't cause too much of a problem. Of course there is now the cheaper version of survey similar to what they have used in Manchester. There they didn't use rank observations, just customer views and plate values.

Author:	Stinky Pete [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:42 am ]
Post subject:
TDO wrote: So there's 158 taxis but 531 PH - no wonder there's no little unmet demand, since the slack has obviously been taken up by the PH trade. Yes if you care and have the time just sit outside York Station as the queues grow bigger and bigger,[and no one cares] I did that the other night, sat and talked to a hack I knew from a different area, in 20 minutes I counted 40 or so PH picking up booked jobs, nothing against PH but some of us Hacks sat as spare parts on ranks waiting for jobs at around that time Again a few days later after dropping off in the Station, bowing and appologising to some of the Station drivers,[ in your dreams] I parked up to small talk, no taxi marshalls to move me on so I switched off and got out me motor to talk and laugh with old pals still clinging to grim death at the railway Station A chap appeared waiting at the usual place, the forecourt seats, he waited 20 minutes, then let rip, hey I'm Network Rail Train Driver, where's my taxi, the driver I was talking to said, hey pal listen, now't to do with us you want a Station taxi, that's if they have any, lucky enough one appeared and took the train driver on a 70 mile run. Mean while as drivers don't give a [edited by admin], shareholders don't give a [edited by admin] GNER don't give a [edited by admin] Council don't give a [edited by admin] we drive by the rank like it been on another planet, yes you stand there like spare parts as we sail by with top light lit avail for hire, then the Council state that there is a unmet demand in the Station afyter their survery

Author:	Stinky Pete [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:59 am ]
Post subject:
Sussex wrote: Stinky Pete wrote: I have heard that GNER will refuse to have Council officials to monitor the Station taxi rank in any future survey They usually use cameras nowadays, so as long as they can position it in sight of the station, then that shouldn't cause too much of a problem. Of course there is now the cheaper version of survey similar to what they have used in Manchester. There they didn't use rank observations, just customer views and plate values. THE station is classed as a "private rank", the hacks even pull out of there using any tarrif they feel on the meter. how can you time hacks when filling boot with luggage on a Council survey, it may take 5 minutes to put luggage into the boot of a vehicle, then the survey states delays rollocks, a Railway rank is private, and connot be surveyed,, even tho I am not one of the elite to use the rank

Author:	Sussex [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:10 am ]
Post subject:
Stinky Pete wrote: rollocks, a Railway rank is private, and connot be surveyed,, even tho I am not one of the elite to use the rank I'm assuming that the rank is an adopted one, by the council. If not then taxis shouldn't be there. But if it is adopted, then people waiting are waiting for taxis. Thus a survey must take it into account because any un-met demand is taxi un-met demand.

Author:	Stinky Pete [ Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:07 am ]
Post subject:
Quote: I'm assuming that the rank is an adopted one, by the council. If not then taxis shouldn't be there. But if it is adopted, then people waiting are waiting for taxis. Thus a survey must take it into account because any un-met demand is taxi un-met demand. Ah Sussex, the rank is not adopted by the council, the rules on the bye laws quite clearly state as follows, when you have dropped off you must proceed with reasonable speed to the nearest council approved taxi rank, although after 1900hrs a hackney carriage can go and sit wherever they like or just cruise around, but do not have to go to a rank if you don't want to so up till the time of 1900hrs those taxis sitting at the station are not conforming to bye laws as the rest who are out on the street. The council and GNER took the council hack stand outside the station away, and made another private hackney carriage stand on GNER car park land to feed the railway station rank, it is felt by some drivers who pay the permit fee that by some means or other they will get that money back somehow, whether it be flick an odd 10 or 20p on extras or load up on tarrif 2 [ups sorry fingers slipped on the old meter], or even warm your meter up, its been known The problem now because there has been found to be a demand for taxis at the station rank re the survey, every punter thinks cos you got a light on top you will of course be a station taxi, so every man and his dog heads for the station at chuck out time just as half a dozen trains are coming in at once, the public think they will get a taxi quicker The [station shareholders] think are there are all set up, if and when dereg comes they got the station captive rank, the extra 14 plates the council are thinking about putting on, because of the survey results, the council with think yep thats another problem solved at the station, but no, the new plate owners will not be able to obtain or purchase a permit to ply the railway as the permit issue numbers are restrictive to a certain figure

Author:	Sussex [ Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:16 am ]
Post subject:
Stinky Pete wrote: The council and GNER took the council hack stand outside the station away, and made another private hackney carriage stand on GNER car park land to feed the railway station rank, So the feeder rank is a legal one, but the actual rank is not. Do you have LOs in your manor?

Page 1 of 2	All times are UTC [ DST ]
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group http://www.phpbb.com/

Author:	Sussex [ Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:19 am ]
Post subject:
Stinky Pete wrote: The [station shareholders] think are there are all set up, if and when dereg comes they got the station captive rank, the extra 14 plates the council are thinking about putting on, because of the survey results, the council with think yep thats another problem solved at the station, but no, the new plate owners will not be able to obtain or purchase a permit to ply the railway as the permit issue numbers are restrictive to a certain figure Now what I would do is to send off several letters to the local rag, one a week for a month or so. In those letters, from different people, I would complain that as a WAV customer I can't have my demand met from the existing taxi permit holders, and I want action now.