A review is due to be carried out of the limit placed by the city council on the number of black cabs in Plymouth. It comes after the Office of Fair Trading recommended an easing of controls on the number of black cab licences issued by councils, which could lead to more taxis on the roads.

There are already 671 private hire vehicles and 359 Hackney carriages in Plymouth.

A taxi firm boss is already set to challenge through the courts the city council limiting the number of Hackney carriages in the city.

Taxifast managing director John Preece had an application for a new Hackney carriage vehicle licence turned down because it took the number of licences over the agreed limit of 359 for Plymouth.

Mr Preece said the Hackney sector needed to expand to meet growing demand, and the existing limit was 'stifling' the modernisation of this part of the taxi industry.

But in a Parliamentary debate last month, Plymouth MP Linda Gilroy warned against a taxi 'free for all' if the way that black cabs are licensed is changed.

Mrs Gilroy said that problems with private hire vehicles could be repeated with Hackney carriages if the market was deregulated without proper controls.

Mrs Gilroy told fellow MPs that some new private hire drivers were trained by companies and had their expectations about how much work they would have. In reality, many found they struggled to pay their costs and the fee to their operators because there were not enough fares.

However, Mr Preece, who runs Plymouth's largest private hire company, said his firm was having to turn down 3,000 journeys a week.

He said: "Fares have been forced artificially high because of the considerable cost of maintaining older Hackney vehicles, a penal Hackney plate premium, as much as £20,000 in some cases, brought about by the number capping, and some cab 'landlords' charging extortionate rent for old cabs because of the shortage of Hackneys in comparison to nearly 500 Hackney drivers.

"There would be an outcry if the council imposed only 10 newsagents in the city, or two superstores, or 15 restaurants." A council spokeswoman said: "We have not yet been given official notification of Mr Preece's intention to appeal, but it is correct to say an application for a new Hackney carriage vehicle licence was turned down because it took the number of licences over the agreed limit for Plymouth.

"Plymouth City Council currently places a limit of 359 on the number of Hackney carriage vehicle licences available, set by the licensing committee.

"An Office of Fair Trading report has recently been published encouraging councils who place limits to review this and have given until March next year to do so."

Interesting happenings in Plymouth. I grabbed this from a plymouth website, it seems the Gentleman who is doing the challenging has a nephew who has just lost his P/H license. I was wondering about the name of this company, I take it Mr Preece has Hackney carriages on his fleet or he wouldn't be calling the company Taxifast.

http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/display ... K=10555955

Best wishes

JD

And now he wins it back!!

http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/display ... K=10877563

Best wishes

JD

precisely the council had no right to say he was not fit and proper, as the courts said he will only be unfit for 56 days ending at the end of next month.

without doubt the courts have acted ulra vires

barmy

The court must have concluded that he would be fit and proper after 56 days. The council allowed him to drive his vehicle until the appeal was heard so I assume the courts 56 day ban is a further punishment lol.

I wonder who got it right and who got it wrong in this instance?

Best wishes

JD

The court must have concluded that he would be fit and proper after 56 days. The council allowed him to drive his vehicle until the appeal was heard so I assume the courts 56 day ban is a further punishment lol.

I wonder who got it right and who got it wrong in this instance?

Best wishes

JD

A review is due to be carried out of the limit placed by the city council on the number of black cabs in Plymouth. It comes after the Office of Fair Trading recommended an easing of controls on the number of black cab licences issued by councils, which could lead to more taxis on the roads.

There are already 671 private hire vehicles and 359 Hackney carriages in Plymouth.

A taxi firm boss is already set to challenge through the courts the city council limiting the number of Hackney carriages in the city.

Taxifast managing director John Preece had an application for a new Hackney carriage vehicle licence turned down because it took the number of licences over the agreed limit of 359 for Plymouth.

Mr Preece said the Hackney sector needed to expand to meet growing demand, and the existing limit was 'stifling' the modernisation of this part of the taxi industry.

But in a Parliamentary debate last month, Plymouth MP Linda Gilroy warned against a taxi 'free for all' if the way that black cabs are licensed is changed.

Mrs Gilroy said that problems with private hire vehicles could be repeated with Hackney carriages if the market was deregulated without proper controls.

Mrs Gilroy told fellow MPs that some new private hire drivers were trained by companies and had their expectations about how much work they would have. In reality, many found they struggled to pay their costs and the fee to their operators because there were not enough fares.

However, Mr Preece, who runs Plymouth's largest private hire company, said his firm was having to turn down 3,000 journeys a week.

He said: "Fares have been forced artificially high because of the considerable cost of maintaining older Hackney vehicles, a penal Hackney plate premium, as much as £20,000 in some cases, brought about by the number capping, and some cab 'landlords' charging extortionate rent for old cabs because of the shortage of Hackneys in comparison to nearly 500 Hackney drivers.

"There would be an outcry if the council imposed only 10 newsagents in the city, or two superstores, or 15 restaurants." A council spokeswoman said: "We have not yet been given official notification of Mr Preece's intention to appeal, but it is correct to say an application for a new Hackney carriage vehicle licence was turned down because it took the number of licences over the agreed limit for Plymouth.

"Plymouth City Council currently places a limit of 359 on the number of Hackney carriage vehicle licences available, set by the licensing committee.

"An Office of Fair Trading report has recently been published encouraging councils who place limits to review this and have given until March next year to do so."

This was in court last week for the first hearing. the council have until 10th November to submit evidence for its refusal to issue more plates.
our old mate Les "nothing to do with Silverline" Palmer was also in the court listening in.

i'll post more details once thing become public knowledge.

However what they should have had was the evidence before them when they refused the licenses in the first place.

Methinks they could be f***ed.

maybe they could save themselves another court bill and just de-limit.