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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:44 pm 
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I had my hearing today and have been given 7 days suspension for seemingly parking on dbl yellow lines waiting to get onto a rank. The council sent out 3 letters to all H/C drivers warning about possible suspensions if drivers carried on parking on dbl yellows.
At the hearing the L/A officer mentioned this fact to the committee.
The evidence against me was from a traffic warden , he took a photo of my car . At the hearing i lso produced photos of my car in the same position but my car was moving when they where took .

I gave my evidence explaining my car was actually moving whe he took the photos . in my final conclusion i was stopped mid sentence as i had on 1 minute to summerize . I never got to ask the committe why the T/W was not there in person for me to question him and why he filled in his report in wrongly..(he said it was a thursday when it was a tuesday) and not one question was put to me by any of the committee ,not even whether i recieved the warning letters.

i know i have a right off an apeal but it does cost money and these people know it . the whole systems stinks of s..t if you ask me.


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i know i have a right off an apeal but it does cost money and these people know it . the whole systems stinks of s..t if you ask me.

That's why we have unions.

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I gave my evidence explaining my car was actually moving whe he took the photos . in my final conclusion i was stopped mid sentence as i had on 1 minute to summerize . I never got to ask the committe why the T/W was not there in person for me to question him and why he filled in his report in wrongly..(he said it was a thursday when it was a tuesday) and not one question was put to me by any of the committee ,not even whether i recieved the warning letters.

If you was being legally represented all the above would never happen. You could have had as much time as you viewed necessary to say what you wanted to say.

If the above is true, and I have no reason to doubt that, then you would win an appeal.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:28 pm 
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jon wrote:
I had my hearing today and have been given 7 days suspension for seemingly parking on dbl yellow lines waiting to get onto a rank. The council sent out 3 letters to all H/C drivers warning about possible suspensions if drivers carried on parking on dbl yellows.
At the hearing the L/A officer mentioned this fact to the committee.
The evidence against me was from a traffic warden , he took a photo of my car . At the hearing i lso produced photos of my car in the same position but my car was moving when they where took .

I gave my evidence explaining my car was actually moving whe he took the photos . in my final conclusion i was stopped mid sentence as i had on 1 minute to summerize . I never got to ask the committe why the T/W was not there in person for me to question him and why he filled in his report in wrongly..(he said it was a thursday when it was a tuesday) and not one question was put to me by any of the committee ,not even whether i recieved the warning letters.

i know i have a right off an apeal but it does cost money and these people know it . the whole systems stinks of s..t if you ask me.


the trouble with that is it would cost £200 to take out the papers and two weeks before you get it to court, i still think its over the top and you should complain about the lack of tim given by the committee.

it would seem that you had not had a far hearing for a start, and to not allow you time to put your point over is wrong, and your council need to be stoped from do ing this, and i for one would have been happy to look and come and speck for you. free well you may have had to pay for tranfarebut thats all in fact some one should write to that council.

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you should complain about the lack of tim given by the committee.


I know this is like dangling ones bits in the mouth of a lion, but I wonder why the lack of tim's on a committee would make a difference?

Have you had experience of Tim being sympathetic to cab drivers?

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you should complain about the lack of tim given by the committee.


I know this is like dangling ones bits in the mouth of a lion, but I wonder why the lack of tim's on a committee would make a difference?

Have you had experience of Tim being sympathetic to cab drivers?

CC


As other have said the hearing as to be far and its not if you were not given a chance to give your side of the matter.

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charles007 wrote:

As other have said the hearing as to be far and its not if you were not given a chance to give your side of the matter.


Yes Charles, I was being a tad daft, you are correct, the hearing must be fair, unfortunately fair, hearings and councils dont seem to come into sync.

The best way is to go to magistrates then to Crown Court.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:33 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
charles007 wrote:
you should complain about the lack of tim given by the committee.


I know this is like dangling ones bits in the mouth of a lion, but I wonder why the lack of tim's on a committee would make a difference?

Have you had experience of Tim being sympathetic to cab drivers?

CC


Hi cc we are taking about time here or have I got it wrong again. if yes i will be happy to let you have my views.

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i would also like to say that the L/A also sent out 3 letters over the past year to all H/C drivers about parking on bus bays and and queing , in contravention of Road traffic orders Section 61 local goverment (miscellaneous provisions) act 1972. The traffic warden just walked up and took a photo of my car from around 30 feet away . I was moveing my car very slowly when he took the photo , i then moved onto the rank.

I have never been in trouble with the L/A over my job, its a case of a few being made as scapegoats to frighten all the other drivers into obedience.


It seems to me you have a choice , as you have already suggested, your pretty much a scapegoat anyway;

what about if the lines and signs or legal, is the rank markings legal. why did the ceo not issue a PCN, did that council have a purpose registered with the ICO for passing information. a lot of councils dont, just reported two for just that.

Solicitors cost money; win or lose (apart from in Zia's manor ) , also resign yourself to losing, if what you say is right you may have to appeal to magistrates and this is where a solicitor would be better suited.

You could ask that you want the press present, I'm not sure if this will be allowed, but it seems to me, if they're going to discuss matters pertaining to your interests, the choice is yours?

Go to the meeting and basically ask how many councillors drive, then ask how many have parked on double yellow lines waiting to get into a parking bay......this may create empathy or understanding.

Ask if they think a punishment costing literally hundreds of pounds is worthy of such a trivial matter as a parking offence.

Get ready for magistrates.

Incidentally, I wonder how many pictures the local trade cab take of your councils own vehicles parked illegally around your area.......I bet its a few :wink:

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I think we are Charles.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:00 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
charles007 wrote:

As other have said the hearing as to be far and its not if you were not given a chance to give your side of the matter.


Yes Charles, I was being a tad daft, you are correct, the hearing must be fair, unfortunately fair, hearings and councils dont seem to come into sync.

The best way is to go to magistrates then to Crown Court.

CC


yes very much so cc but i have little faith in magistrates unless you can get a D Jugde sitting and as siad any times before always take some one with you that knows what to do and you dont have to spend on this there is always some one arround who will help, well that my view.

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jon wrote:
I had my hearing today and have been given 7 days suspension for seemingly parking on dbl yellow lines waiting to get onto a rank. The council sent out 3 letters to all H/C drivers warning about possible suspensions if drivers carried on parking on dbl yellows.
At the hearing the L/A officer mentioned this fact to the committee.
The evidence against me was from a traffic warden , he took a photo of my car . At the hearing i lso produced photos of my car in the same position but my car was moving when they where took .

I gave my evidence explaining my car was actually moving whe he took the photos . in my final conclusion i was stopped mid sentence as i had on 1 minute to summerize . I never got to ask the committe why the T/W was not there in person for me to question him and why he filled in his report in wrongly..(he said it was a thursday when it was a tuesday) and not one question was put to me by any of the committee ,not even whether i recieved the warning letters.

i know i have a right off an apeal but it does cost money and these people know it . the whole systems stinks of s..t if you ask me.


when you get your letter post it on here and we can see what they say as they have now to give you a reson why they have suspend you

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