Taxi Driver Online

UK cab trade debate and advice
It is currently Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:08 pm

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 16 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: engagedby time?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:32 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:27 pm
Posts: 16784
I have read it in the act that a hackney carriage can be engaged by time or distance. Now what is meant be being engaged by time? and who sets the rate?

_________________
Grandad,
old fart with no heart


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: engagedby time?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:00 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:56 pm
Posts: 970
grandad wrote:
I have read it in the act that a hackney carriage can be engaged by time or distance. Now what is meant be being engaged by time? and who sets the rate?



The rate for time or distance should be on your fare table and it is set in the process of fixing rate to be charged by a TAXI (hackney carriage).

As a Councillor and TAXI proprietor thought you would have known that.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: engagedby time?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:11 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:06 pm
Posts: 21005
Location: A City near Birmingham
heathcote wrote:
grandad wrote:
I have read it in the act that a hackney carriage can be engaged by time or distance. Now what is meant be being engaged by time? and who sets the rate?



The rate for time or distance should be on your fare table and it is set in the process of fixing rate to be charged by a TAXI (hackney carriage).

As a Councillor and TAXI proprietor thought you would have known that.


if not as a time served HC/PH operator?

_________________
Freedom is never free


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: engagedby time?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:36 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:30 pm
Posts: 39096
Location: 1066 Country
grandad wrote:
I have read it in the act that a hackney carriage can be engaged by time or distance. Now what is meant be being engaged by time? and who sets the rate?

The rate the council set applies outside of an area unless prior agreement is made.

If you are saying a rate within the licensing area can be set by time, rather than distance, then that's not my reading of the act.

_________________
IDFIMH


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: engagedby time?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:57 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:56 pm
Posts: 970
Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
I have read it in the act that a hackney carriage can be engaged by time or distance. Now what is meant be being engaged by time? and who sets the rate?

The rate the council set applies outside of an area unless prior agreement is made.

If you are saying a rate within the licensing area can be set by time, rather than distance, then that's not my reading of the act.


When a meter is calibrated it is set at a rate for a particular number of yards or a particular number of seconds ie. 178.90 or 44.5 seconds.
If you are stopped in traffic jam your meter is still working on the time factor as the yardage factor is at a stand still.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: engagedby time?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:15 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:30 pm
Posts: 39096
Location: 1066 Country
heathcote wrote:
When a meter is calibrated it is set at a rate for a particular number of yards or a particular number of seconds ie. 178.90 or 44.5 seconds.
If you are stopped in traffic jam your meter is still working on the time factor as the yardage factor is at a stand still.

Pretty certain that's not what he is asking, more like could he charge a punter, say £20 an hour, for a job running around his licensing district, as opposed to the mileage rate.

IMO in a hackney he can't.

_________________
IDFIMH


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: engagedby time?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:28 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:56 pm
Posts: 970
Sussex wrote:
heathcote wrote:
When a meter is calibrated it is set at a rate for a particular number of yards or a particular number of seconds ie. 178.90 or 44.5 seconds.
If you are stopped in traffic jam your meter is still working on the time factor as the yardage factor is at a stand still.

Pretty certain that's not what he is asking, more like could he charge a punter, say £20 an hour, for a job running around his licensing district, as opposed to the mileage rate.

IMO in a hackney he can't.


I think you are correct in your assumption,taking the example above,assuming the drop is 20 p. the most you would get for time is £18 per hour.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: engagedby time?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:35 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:27 pm
Posts: 16784
Sussex wrote:
heathcote wrote:
When a meter is calibrated it is set at a rate for a particular number of yards or a particular number of seconds ie. 178.90 or 44.5 seconds.
If you are stopped in traffic jam your meter is still working on the time factor as the yardage factor is at a stand still.

Pretty certain that's not what he is asking, more like could he charge a punter, say £20 an hour, for a job running around his licensing district, as opposed to the mileage rate.

IMO in a hackney he can't.

Yes, that is what I was asking. I was asked this question by a new owner and I didn't think it was allowed but I just wanted to check. This new owner also thinks his wife can drive his Hackney when he isn't working because his insurance says any driver. I understand the licensing team have told him what he can and can't do and I have told him until I am blue in the face but he still insists that we are all wrong. In the end I told him that if he thinks he is so right he should just do it and see if he gets prosecuted. Unfortunately, with the lack of enforcement due to cutbacks, he probably wouldn't get caught.

_________________
Grandad,
old fart with no heart


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: engagedby time?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:42 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2016 7:56 pm
Posts: 970
grandad wrote:
Sussex wrote:
heathcote wrote:
When a meter is calibrated it is set at a rate for a particular number of yards or a particular number of seconds ie. 178.90 or 44.5 seconds.
If you are stopped in traffic jam your meter is still working on the time factor as the yardage factor is at a stand still.

Pretty certain that's not what he is asking, more like could he charge a punter, say £20 an hour, for a job running around his licensing district, as opposed to the mileage rate.

IMO in a hackney he can't.

Yes, that is what I was asking. I was asked this question by a new owner and I didn't think it was allowed but I just wanted to check. This new owner also thinks his wife can drive his Hackney when he isn't working because his insurance says any driver. I understand the licensing team have told him what he can and can't do and I have told him until I am blue in the face but he still insists that we are all wrong. In the end I told him that if he thinks he is so right he should just do it and see if he gets prosecuted. Unfortunately, with the lack of enforcement due to cutbacks, he probably wouldn't get caught.



He must be paying a small fortune for any driver insurance as a new proprietor.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: engagedby time?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:55 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:27 pm
Posts: 16784
heathcote wrote:
grandad wrote:
Yes, that is what I was asking. I was asked this question by a new owner and I didn't think it was allowed but I just wanted to check. This new owner also thinks his wife can drive his Hackney when he isn't working because his insurance says any driver. I understand the licensing team have told him what he can and can't do and I have told him until I am blue in the face but he still insists that we are all wrong. In the end I told him that if he thinks he is so right he should just do it and see if he gets prosecuted. Unfortunately, with the lack of enforcement due to cutbacks, he probably wouldn't get caught.



He must be paying a small fortune for any driver insurance as a new proprietor.

He bought the company he was driving for. At the time we were having this discussion he had 3 vehicles but he was the only licensed driver. He has one owner driver as well. He now has a driver using one of his vehicles. I did hear from one of our customers who used him off the rank a few weeks ago that it is his intention to have us off the road within 12 months. It could be an interesting year.

_________________
Grandad,
old fart with no heart


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: engagedby time?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:14 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:30 pm
Posts: 39096
Location: 1066 Country
grandad wrote:
Yes, that is what I was asking. I was asked this question by a new owner and I didn't think it was allowed but I just wanted to check. This new owner also thinks his wife can drive his Hackney when he isn't working because his insurance says any driver. I understand the licensing team have told him what he can and can't do and I have told him until I am blue in the face but he still insists that we are all wrong. In the end I told him that if he thinks he is so right he should just do it and see if he gets prosecuted. Unfortunately, with the lack of enforcement due to cutbacks, he probably wouldn't get caught.

People ignore the law all the time, and all kind of laws. Taxi/PH drivers ain't no different.

Most enforcement nowadays is done indirectly by other taxi/PH drivers.

_________________
IDFIMH


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: engagedby time?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:52 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:06 pm
Posts: 21005
Location: A City near Birmingham
Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
Yes, that is what I was asking. I was asked this question by a new owner and I didn't think it was allowed but I just wanted to check. This new owner also thinks his wife can drive his Hackney when he isn't working because his insurance says any driver. I understand the licensing team have told him what he can and can't do and I have told him until I am blue in the face but he still insists that we are all wrong. In the end I told him that if he thinks he is so right he should just do it and see if he gets prosecuted. Unfortunately, with the lack of enforcement due to cutbacks, he probably wouldn't get caught.

People ignore the law all the time, and all kind of laws. Taxi/PH drivers ain't no different.

Most enforcement nowadays is done indirectly by other taxi/PH drivers.



like a grass?

_________________
Freedom is never free


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: engagedby time?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:26 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:30 pm
Posts: 39096
Location: 1066 Country
wannabeeahack wrote:
like a grass?

Some may say grass, others might say 'fit and proper person'.

_________________
IDFIMH


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: engagedby time?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:51 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:06 pm
Posts: 21005
Location: A City near Birmingham
Sussex wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
like a grass?

Some may say grass, others might say 'fit and proper person'.


id say "substitute licensing officer"

_________________
Freedom is never free


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: engagedby time?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:36 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 23, 2007 1:39 pm
Posts: 1279
Taxi drivers reporting each other, once upon a time they helped each other, just shows how far we've come. I prefer the old days.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 16 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 11 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group