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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:09 am 
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roythebus wrote:
(another of Maggie's abberations, district councils...)

Are you seriously saying that before Maggie there were no district councils? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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(another of Maggie's abberations, district councils...)

Are you seriously saying that before Maggie there were no district councils? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:




Didnt you know? Maggie was the bogey woman, she is to blame for everything!

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:31 pm 
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OK, blame Heath for District councils, he was around in 1974! :D

Back to the OP, Shepway have now seen fit to re-instate the Taxi Forum; guess what is on the agenda....vehicle age, provision of ranks, I'll add badge fee increases, creit card charges for paying using plastic (illegal I believe)..any other ideas?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:43 pm 
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roythebus wrote:
creit card charges for paying using plastic (illegal I believe)
I have just had an email from a company to tell me that it is OK to pass on actual charges but not more than the actual charges. So if you are charged 6.5% for processing then you can pass this on.

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Before the introduction of districts, the basic unit of local government in England was the civil parish, while Hundreds were the only widely used administrative unit between the parish and the county in size.

In 1834 parishes were grouped into Poor Law Unions, creating areas for administration of the Poor Law. These areas were later used for census registration and as the basis for sanitary provision.

In 1894, based on these earlier subdivisions, the Local Government Act 1894 created urban districts and rural districts as sub-divisions of administrative counties, which had been created in 1889.

Another reform in 1900 created 28 metropolitan boroughs as sub-divisions of the County of London.

The setting-down of the current structure of districts in England began in 1965, when Greater London and its 32 London boroughs were created. They are the oldest type of district still in use.

In 1974, metropolitan counties and non-metropolitan counties (also known as "shire counties") were created across the rest of England and were split into metropolitan districts and non-metropolitan districts. The status of the London boroughs and metropolitan districts changed in 1986, when they absorbed the functions and some of the powers of the metropolitan county councils and the Greater London Council which were abolished. In London power is now shared again, albeit on a different basis, with the Greater London Authority.

During the 1990s a further kind of district was created, the unitary authority, which combined the functions and status of county and district.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:45 pm 
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grandad wrote:
roythebus wrote:
creit card charges for paying using plastic (illegal I believe)
I have just had an email from a company to tell me that it is OK to pass on actual charges but not more than the actual charges. So if you are charged 6.5% for processing then you can pass this on.



is that approved by your LA though?.........

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:48 pm 
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roythebus wrote:
So it seems my LO will refuse to relicence my 55 reg Chrysler because they have a 7 year age limit on any car that isn't a London type taxi.

Quite why they choose this arbitary age is a mystery. My car has passed its latest compliance check 4 weeks ago; is in excellent condition for its age, yet because it's now 7 years old, is deemd unfit for further service!

The "rules" give the LO discretion to relicence; but contrary the rules also say in an earlier paragraph that they will not relicence anything over 7 years old. So it seems there's a conflict on how to inetrpret the rules! The only appeal mentioned in "the rules" is to the local magistrates, yet when I spoke to the LO this morning he said there may be an appeal to the licencing committee but isn't sure! Hohum.

So, I then suggested that as I have requested an appeal, I am allowed to relicence the car pending an appeal either through the LC or the local magistrates to which he had to agree.

Age limits are a bit of a hotch potch as other LAs round here vary; Tonbridge-no age limit, likewise at Rother; Ashford and Dover 10 years...roll on the Law commission review!

If all else fails, I'll simply use one of my spare PSV operators licences and keep running anyway!


It's partly because LA's and their employees live in a cocooned world and simply cannot grasp the concept of Britain teetering on the edge of a ruinous recession.
They also fail to grasp the fundamental concept that in business you can only make a profit if your income outweighs your costs, with that in mind they do not understand that you cannot afford to always purchase new vehicles nor that you can replace them as regularly as they would like you to.

I guess We are lucky around here....We can Licence Vehicles up until they are 7yrs-10 month old..and if your vehicles approaching that age you can cancel your remainder of your license and apply for another 3 years licence, that gives you a Maximum vehicle age of 10yrs-10months.

In reality though that Seldom Happens.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 9:41 am 
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I guess We are lucky around here....We can Licence Vehicles up until they are 7yrs-10 month old..and if your vehicles approaching that age you can cancel your remainder of your license and apply for another 3 years licence, that gives you a Maximum vehicle age of 10yrs-10months.

In reality though that Seldom Happens.


who came up with that?

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:05 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
bloodnock wrote:

I guess We are lucky around here....We can Licence Vehicles up until they are 7yrs-10 month old..and if your vehicles approaching that age you can cancel your remainder of your license and apply for another 3 years licence, that gives you a Maximum vehicle age of 10yrs-10months.

In reality though that Seldom Happens.


who came up with that?



Dunno.....People have become Institutionalized in trying to fathom out council thinking, it would be easier to get your head around the never ending Infinity of the universe and beyond as compared to working out LA Logic.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:16 pm 
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grandad wrote:
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creit card charges for paying using plastic (illegal I believe)
I have just had an email from a company to tell me that it is OK to pass on actual charges but not more than the actual charges. So if you are charged 6.5% for processing then you can pass this on.
Talking at cross-purposes here. the DC charge a percentage if THEY take YOUR plastic as payment for licence fees, not talking about using your card reader to take cab fares. The usual charge there is 6.5% which goes toward the machine provider and as you say, can be passed on to the punter.

To reply to Wannabee's post above, I happened to read the same passage when researching the formation of District Councils! Definitely a Heath era idea!! :lol: :lol: (heaving shoulders too).

Also to agree totally with Bloodnock's precis about the councils living in a cocooned world! They issue a 50% increase in licence fees, yet we get f all in return for it but just have to pay. they don't seem to realise that the sheep round my way don't go out by cab very often, and virtually nobody ropund here's got a job at the moment. Friday evening, £17 between the 2 of us!! FFS..and they expect us to buy a new car on that sort of income.

Luckily I get a very good council tax rebate, being on a low income! 8)

Roll on the Law Commission amendments becoming law when there'll be no age limit on the cars, just a view on the car being in exceptional condition.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:55 pm 
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Roll on the Law Commission amendments becoming law when there'll be no age limit on the cars, just a view on the car being in exceptional condition.


and then the LA's will introduce THEIR idea of what exeptional means, somewhere between showroom and concours d'elegance, in effect a standard not possible

you cant win, they wont let you

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Maybe, but that may not be the wording of "the law". The view of the LPHCA chairman (and many of its members) is that it should depend not only on the car's general condition, but its mechanical condition; has it been regularly serviced, not just "fix whatever it needs to get through the compliance" after it failed again!

I tend to take the PSV operator view that my car should be regularly safety checked and any defects put right straight away as I do with my buses. This is a point I will put across when the appeal is heard before the magistrates.

Meanwhile, it's a case of "playing for time". I doubt the appeal will be heard much this side of September. I still have another 5 days to get the paperwork in; then if I lose the mags appeal, there's the appeal to the crown court after that. all this will prove the regas are unfit for purpose as the car doesn't suddenly become more dangerous during the appeal process despite being over the magical 7 years old.


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OK, blame Heath for District councils, he was around in 1974! :D

Back to the OP, Shepway have now seen fit to re-instate the Taxi Forum; guess what is on the agenda....vehicle age, provision of ranks, I'll add badge fee increases, creit card charges for paying using plastic (illegal I believe)..any other ideas?

Fare rise.

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Fare rise.


UNfair rise....much better

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Roll on the Law Commission amendments becoming law when there'll be no age limit on the cars, just a view on the car being in exceptional condition.



Have they told you that? They haven't told anyone else that, in actual fact I recall them suggesting they would leave that decision to government.

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