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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:14 pm 
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Which ever way anyone wants to put it, it is a failure by the LAs and they want our time and money to put it right, and that is never right


It's not a failure of the LA's they are only following the law that is already laid. Fit & Proper has been the criteria forever and there doesn't appear to be a precise definition of it.

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If something was wrong or needed improvement in the local council office and they needed to put it right by sending the workforce on a course, then they would be paid for doing the course and they most certainly would not have to pay for the course out of their own pockets.


Your decision to be self employed will make you responsible for your training as you are considered your employer. The fact that funding is now available for the self employed to claim for courses can surely only be a financial benefit to drivers in reducing costs. The problem a lot of drivers have with this is the actual course itself.

I've seen drivers self esteem improve as they become involved in these courses and other drivers rolling their eyes because of it's simplicity. What do we do? Should we tell those drivers who never thought they could improve their education that they can't be drivers :shock:

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I keep telling you, why dont you listen


get on the bandwagon, become a NVQ/green issues/human rights chappie, £50K, company car and a job for life...

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wannabeeahack wrote:
I keep telling you, why dont you listen


get on the bandwagon, become a NVQ/green issues/human rights chappie, £50K, company car and a job for life...


I don't think any NVQ assessor is on £50k and those that provide the course are probably making a larger profit than that :wink:

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get on the bandwagon, become a NVQ/green issues/human rights chappie, £50K, company car and a job for life...

I'd sooner stick red hot needles in my eyeballs.


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get on the bandwagon, become a NVQ/green issues/human rights chappie, £50K, company car and a job for life...

I'd sooner stick red hot needles in my eyeballs.


Mmmmmmmm whatever floats your boat I suppose but I'd have never have thought you that type person :wink:

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It's not a failure of the LA's they are only following the law that is already laid.


That is the problem and it stems from the LAs who show no initiative. I have seen guys maybe through no fault of their own turn up for the exam in clothes that you and I would not go out onto the garden with. You/I would see it from day one that a problem exists, it is not rocket science to see that some are just not dressed properly from the word go, and then you get a directive saying...... no shorts/flip flops/collarless shirts and so on. I am probably generalising when I say that if you turn up slovenly then the person concerned will also be lacking in other aspects i.e manners.

The bottom line being is that these courses are along those lines, which goes back to the LAs who could have and should have paid attention to detail and deemed that they were not proper.

Why should you/I be dragged into that situation, I am going to be seen as pious, but I do not need lessons on how to speak or treat a lady/gentleman, whether it be opening a door or carrying luggage. This is not my problem and neither has it been created by myself or many of my colleagues, this has been created by the LAs and I do not see how they can hide behind their failings and to then make us pay with our time and in some cases money.

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It's not a failure of the LA's they are only following the law that is already laid.


That is the problem and it stems from the LAs who show no initiative. I have seen guys maybe through no fault of their own turn up for the exam in clothes that you and I would not go out onto the garden with. You/I would see it from day one that a problem exists, it is not rocket science to see that some are just not dressed properly from the word go, and then you get a directive saying...... no shorts/flip flops/collarless shirts and so on. I am probably generalising when I say that if you turn up slovenly then the person concerned will also be lacking in other aspects i.e manners.

The bottom line being is that these courses are along those lines, which goes back to the LAs who could have and should have paid attention to detail and deemed that they were not proper.

Why should you/I be dragged into that situation, I am going to be seen as pious, but I do not need lessons on how to speak or treat a lady/gentleman, whether it be opening a door or carrying luggage. This is not my problem and neither has it been created by myself or many of my colleagues, this has been created by the LAs and I do not see how they can hide behind their failings and to then make us pay with our time and in some cases money.


The LA simply do not have the authority to prevent somebody getting a badge who is 'fit & proper'. One must assume that 'fit & proper' means of no danger to the public. They can however then regulate things such as No short, No flip flops etc.

The LA's did not create the training the educationalists did. Having looked into the GoSkills website and having posted the below (not happy in Lincoln) there appears to be no answers from the trade reps as to who may have contributed to these courses.

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I have often stated that if taxi drivers weren't happy with the courses provided then they should have their reps look into ways of improving it and becoming involved, however, according to GoSkills the taxi trade has already been extensively involved.

In their Guidelines for the Delivery of the NVQ Level 2 in Road Passenger Vehicle Driving to Taxi and PHV Drivers


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The development of the NVQ was the culmination of an extensive project with the taxi and private hire industries and with stakeholders including licensing authorities to identify and recognise the understanding, knowledge and skills needed to work in these industries


I was just curious as to whom from the industry actually contributed to this qualification and exactly what their contribution was?


At the end of the day as far as I am concerned the more appropriate the course the better. Even if that means some people will not be able to become taxi drviers. I don't see why people should be able to be something they quite clearly cannot be trained to do properly, for whatever reason.

Also it appears that the Reps for the trade seem to have been fully aware (at some level) as to what was being planned and failed to inform their members until it was too late

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